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A German foundation has said it will no longer be awarding a prize for political thinking to a leading Russian-American journalist after criticizing as “unacceptable” a recent essay by the writer in which they made a comparison between Gaza and a Jewish ghetto in Nazi-occupied Europe.

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[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

100 years from now the MENA region will be uninhabitable due to climate heating and I doubt that anyone will want to visit it in some spacesuit.

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's not what any of the worst case scenario in climate studies I've seen seem to think, what are you basing it on?

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)
[–] blanketswithsmallpox@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For the lazy, it's their 6th, 7th, and 8th links.

Projected Air Temperature Extremes and Maximum Heat Conditions Over the Middle-East-North Africa (MENA) Region | Earth Systems and Environment

Climate change projections for the Middle East–North Africa domain with COSMO-CLM at different spatial resolutions - ScienceDirect

Climate Change and Weather Extremes in the Eastern Mediterranean and Middle East - Zittis - 2022 - Reviews of Geophysics - Wiley Online Library

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

This one also is relevant: Greatly enhanced risk to humans as a consequence of empirically determined lower moist heat stress tolerance | PNAS

Parts of the Middle East and the Indus River Valley experience brief exceedances with only 1.5 °C warming.

We're going to start seeing that in about a decade. You should imagine scale and intensity growing over time.

You should also consider migration at least within the region. That's not easy to model, but you can start by looking at the role of climate heating and drought in Syria.

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just posting a whole big pile of stuff and saying 'the answers probably in there somewhere and you can't disagree until you've been thought it all' is something conspiracy theorists and idiots do.

The first paper doesn't agree with your claim so it's pretty obvious you didn't even read it yourself.

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is not a big pile, these are only 8 peer-reviewed papers. This is a tiny snack on a coffee-cup plate.

I read many papers every day, and I intentionally posted some that don't 100% back up what I said so you can have more nuance.

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You intentionally made the first one disagree with your argument to add nuance.

Thank you, I will be laughing about this for years to come.

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Oh, I doubt that you'll be laughing. Tell me, how do you think avoiding confirmation biases and sampling biases looks like?

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Your links don’t support your claim, and in fact contradict it. No doomerism please.

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I highly doubt that you've read them or comprehend the implications. The models have various outputs. Good luck with your optimism, but don't expect me to work to keep your hopes up.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I skimmed a few, but I took your dozens of seemingly barely relevant links as a deliberate attempt to keep people from scrutinizing your claim. So no, I didn’t read all of them and I doubt you did either. If you did then please point to specifically where any of that supports your claim that Gaza will be uninhabitable.

Most seemed completely irrelevant to your claim but one paper showed a projected lethal heat map. It did not show any such heat in Israel/Palestine. This makes sense because west-facing coastal regions are protected from extreme temperatures by marine weather.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

They have long been at the point where the heat seems to impact their thought processes negatively. It will only get worse with more heat, I'm afraid.