Theres the Fascist who will keep the veil of democracy on and avoid total outright Fascism or the Fascist who will burn democracy to the ground and have outright Fascism.

Voting for anyone else is at best throwing your vote in the garbage and at worst voting for the greater of two evils.

This was never an issue of "Voting for the good guy" that hasn't been an option for as long as I have been alive. This is an issue of biding time to build up a strong enough third party, and we don't even have a strong enough third party to have a presence in congress or the senate

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Buying time for what?! The instant Biden got into office you all went back to brunch. All that did was tell the rest of the world "we don't care how much you're suffering, as long as we get to be comfortable we are going to continue to sit on our throne of blood"

So congratulations, now the world doesn't want to support you this time. Good job on that.

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 2 points 11 months ago

But there have been active courses of action.

The Presidency is one person, with increasingly too much power.

Unions have been exploding in popularity, various local elections have been swinging farther left than the standard democrat playbook.

The people are not voting democrat because they are content with them, they're voting democrat because there is not another viable option.

It needs to start local and grow. We need a proper left-wing party, if we can ever get organized enough to do such a thing rather than relying on what already exists.

And as I said, I think the best course of action is a measured approach. Local Elections, Off-year elections and non-presidential elections. Grow in numbers, gain public confidence and start snowballing.

The reason why third parties are progressively weakening is because of a lack of faith, and third party's consistent decimation in the presidential is a big part of it.

Its counter intuitive, but voting third-party hurts third parties in the long run if you focus on them primarily during presidential elections.

I'm not the standard "Oh the third party will never win type." I'm actively against trying to run before we can walk.

Confidence is a big deal in elections. It's more obvious in Primaries. If people see a candidate they like in the Primaries, but they don't think they can win against the opposition candidate, they will not vote for the candidate they like. They will vote for the candidate that they have the most confidence in even if they don't like that candidate.

We need to start a from the ground up political party that's entire focus is to stay out of the view of presidential elections, We need to start focusing on bringing Ranked Choice Voting to as many locations as possible. And it will be a long process. But it's far better than repeatedly doing the same thing every election cycle.

We always have the situation of 99% evil vs 100% evil both with a roughly 50/50 chance of winning and a selection of third party candidates who are decent but have 0 chance of winning.

Third party candidate loses, 99% or 100% evil wins. Third Party yet again becomes less relevant and less considered. Repeat. This cycle can only end if we stop focusing on the obvious losing strategy.