Not quite analogous. We know many problems with Capitalism, and we know many aspects of leftist organization absolutely work. We know what parts historically did not, and we also know that these issues are far from necessary for building a leftist structure.

You're arguing that there's no point in improving the plane and fixing what is broken when we still have cars and horses.

For your point that it could be that the screws can never be tightened, or a solution without screws cannot be found, is not an argument against tightening the screws or coming up with an alternative method, despite pretending that's a valid reason alone. In fact, in Engineering, it can be known what forces will be applied to screws in flight and as such it can be predicted what is required.

Essentially, you can use previous knowns to solve for unknowns, rather than assuming everything is simply a blind guess.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

we know many aspects of leftist organization absolutely work. We know what parts historically did not, and we also know that these issues are far from necessary for building a leftist structure.

Facts not in evidence. Don’t invent assertions as truth.

You're arguing that there's no point in improving the plane and fixing what is broken when we still have cars and horses.

I’m going to expect an apology for deliberately putting words in my mouth. You know very well I didn’t say this.

The Wright brothers did not pull commuters into their untested inventions. If you can test and refine without harming or harassing people, do so; otherwise, keep it to yourself.

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

There are mountains of papers written on the success of Socialist and Socialist-adjacent structures. Worker Co-operatives are more stable and provide greater happiness to the Workers within, for example. Democracy within the workplace also has great levels of success when tried, and we've found that liberal democracy surrounding 2 party systems is far less democratic than multiparty, ranked choice systems.

You deliberately argued that you must wait for something to exist before you are willing to adopt it, rather than change any given situation.

Now we reach the pinnacle of your argument: "I'm personally okay in the given system, so I don't care if other people wish to change it." It's fine if everyone agrees with you, but what happens if you get out voted? Are you still going to argue for maintaining the status quo as disparity rises and climate change dooms us all?