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Why is Lemmygrad hated in the wider space of Lemmy? (lemm.ee)

submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by wtry@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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I've been trying to find a good Marxist instance, but Lemmygrad and Hexbear are widely hated. Why is that? Are there any good leftist instances?

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[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well, when I see a .ml user from here on out I'm not sure I'll be able to give them the same sort of leeway.

I had one of their users confirm they were racist. Then I saw that only the parts where our conversation was removed by mods, and not shit canning the user.

You want people to like you, don’t lie down with racists.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one -3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I concur about .ml. It's been eye opening being on the receiving end of a homophobic rant by a moderator of their world news community implying I'm not queer enough. It wouldn't surprise me that they're racist, too. Bigots tend to subscribe to more than one strain of bigotry.

I know it shouldn't matter what people like that think, but I'd be lying if I said I'm not disappointed and dismayed. I've survived so many things and had a long hard road to self-acceptance. It's disgusting to be invalidated by someone who likely has more than I've ever had.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I used to be confused when right wing nutjobs would say that the left is Racist, or Homophobic, or bigoted in general, it would make me confused as that wasn't my experience and it's not baked into left wing ideology. Hell, I didn't really see it on reddit when I was there (the hate was from right wingers or gatekeepers).

Then I came here. Nice place in general. Waaaay better users than reddit as a whole. But now I know where the RWNJs got the idea.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 0 points 11 months ago

Ain't that the truth! I will say during my tenure on reddit, I heard of CTH and thought to myself, "I ultimately support a similar vision for our future, how bad can it be?" I was shocked to find one of the most exclusionary, bigoted dens of filth I'd seen outside of places like r/T_D

Ableist and bigoted language abounded, it was impossible to engage because they'd immediately bristle when anyone they perceived as beneath them wandered in.

I see a lot of the same things here. It's really disappointing to us leftists who actually want to effect change. No one will listen to people like that. Hopefully they're just kids who grow out of ... whatever this is.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Middle class white gay men could use their privilege to help out the rest of the lgbtq community instead of being right wingers, but then that would require examining their privileges, and we can't have that.

So pointing out those privileges and how different rights affect different subsections of the community differently because of those privileges is homophobic./s

Fuck off.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This is exactly why the only gays I have the time and energy for have to have some melanin in them. Black, Latino, indigenous, it don't matter to me from there but you can't be a hwhite gay and expect to just chill with me anymore; not without HARDCORE vetting. I'm talking "six months to two years worth of figuring out if you're some kind of narc, some kind of #alllivesmatter queer(they exist), or some other kind of malevolent settler-queer" hardcore vetting.

I don't spend an IOTA of my energy on these three-no's-on-they-grindr-profile-assed settlers anymore; not with all the crybullying about "reverse racism" and all these other fuckboy games they'd rather play than actually do any kind of meaningful work on themselves or the way they navigate the world.

Required reading: x

As several scholars have noted, contemporary gay life is marked by high levels of racism directed towards gay men of color by gay white men, with much of the racism manifesting itself as negative sexual attitudes towards, and sexual exclusion or fetishization of, non-white men (Armstrong 2002; Bérubé 2001; Epstein 1996; McBride 2005; Tenunis, 2007). After examining online personal ads and interviewing gay men, Robinson (2015) found that gay white men often exclude gay men of color as potential sexual partners while denying that their racial preferences are racist in nature.

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Despite gay white men’s insistence that sexual exclusion was not racism but rather personal preference, and that these personal preferences have nothing to do with racism, Collander and his colleagues (2015) found that attitudes toward sexual exclusion were related to almost every identified factor associated with racist attitudes in general.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm white and Asian but look fairly white and you wouldn't believe(well, you probably would) the fucking shit I hear from white lesbians and trans people too. They're much better than gay men overall but holyyy shit.