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The Israel Defense Forces releases surveillance camera footage from Shifa Hospital showing Hamas terrorists bringing a Nepali and Thai citizen who were abducted from Israel on October 7 to the medical center.

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[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well the most obvious example is the strike on that hospital killing 500 that ended up being a failed PIJ rocket landing on the hospital parking lot killing 10-20 people.

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As far as I’m aware there is no conclusive evidence that it was a PIJ rocket. You can only really believe that if you actually trust the IDF.

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You rather believe Hamas that it was an Israeli rocket when all available evidence verified by multiple governments claims to the contrary?

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I will believe the findings of a third party investigation which the UN has called for. The “evidence” provided by the IDF is not at all conclusive. As I said, you can’t pretend otherwise unless you trust the IDF.

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, just keep your blinders on and keep going. It's not like other governments corroborated that or anything. A fact you chose to clearly ignore in the comment you replied to.

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I’m supposed to believe “other governments” that you have yet to name over the UN?

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

US, Canada, France. I would hope so. Even better, you could have looked it up yourself.

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US and Israel are the only one making strong claims about who is responsible. France and Canada statements were not conclusive and did not “verify” Israel’s supposed evidence like you said. I think I’d rather wait for a third party investigation before I conclude that Israel, the country who’s had killed over 5000 children in little over a month, is free from culpability in this one instance.

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So 3rd party US is not enough of a 3rd party...

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, the country who provides bombs to Israel so that they can drop them on Gaza is a totally neutral third party and not Israel’s #1 supporter. Lol

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So by your definition the UN is not a 3rd party either, since they're providing aid to Gaza.

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

You don’t have to convince me. Giving and medical care, education, and food to a people under blockade is totally the equivalent of giving bombs and guns to a state that’s actively committing war crimes. If it turns out to be a PIJ rocket, the UN will be directly implicated in a war crime and therefore they aren’t trustworthy. It makes perfect sense if you don’t think about it.