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I've been seeing this sentiment a lot and it's such a shitty take.
Basically you're saying, "If a movie isn't liked, it's the fault of the viewer." since the only option it leaves is, "Continue lowering your expectations until you're happy with whatever you end up getting."
I mean, if you keep watching these movies, and you keep getting disappointed by them, it is your fault. You're still giving them money to make a movie you basically know you're not going to like, based on recent data. Either stop watching, lower your expectations, or just always be disappointed.
Idk. It’s a little bit of both right? I mean if you go see Pride and Prejudice because you want to see some epic fight scenes, you’re going to be disappointed.
Nah that seems like more of a strawman or moving the goalposts than anything remotely reflective of the actual situation.
Nobody is criticizing this movie because they went into it expecting an oscar-bait period romantic drama. Nobody.
Literally every single person knew what the movie was supposed to be: a superhero movie. An action/adventure movie with excitement, a few mild scares, some laughs, explosions, fights, etc. Sure, within the genre there can be "light-hearted, mostly comedy romp" and "dark, gritty, shades of grey" tones of film within it, but zero people are walking into this one expecting Pride and Prejudice, and it's silly at best to suggest otherwise.
So when we're talking about expectations, we're not talking about the overall genre or tone expectations, we're talking about expectations as to how well executed, well acted, well written, and well thought out the various elements were.
So yeah, when people say they found it disappointing, not being up to their expectations, they mean as a superhero movie. Further, given the steady diet they've been fed of the same, they mean, specifically, "up to the expectation set by many, many other similar films in the genre, in the same umbrella IP, from the same studio, released in the same broad time period.
It really doesn't get a whole lot more apples-to-apples than expectations for a Disney/Marvel superhero movie in the 2020s.
So no, sorry, I can't buy the angle that "if the film didn't meet your expectations, it's your unreasonable expectations that are to blame because you didn't know what kind of movie it was supposed to be".
Further, even if that were the case, that wouldn't be so much lowering expectations as changing them. So when we see people specifically use the word "lower", it suggests that's not what they're thinking at all.
Do you think they make movies without caring if it would be good ? All those people, all that money invested and they don't care for returns. Obviously not. They want returns and they try to make a good movie.
In the case of Marvel movies people keep their expectations so high that even decent movies like The Marvels is shit to them. That's definitely the fault of the high expectations.
Again, I'm not saying it is the best movie. But it definitely doesn't deserve the hatred it is getting.
On the other hand, do you think every movie is made with love and attention to detail or do you think some are shoved out there because they think people are dumb enough to just hand money over? Obviously not, in my opinion—many movies are phoned in. Many sequels, and evidence suggests all known “cinematic universes” tell a ramshackle and uninspired story in hopes that viewers of the original material are attached enough to the characters that they come back for more, instead of trying a new story with new characters.
Nobody is obliged to appreciate a movie simply for existing. It wasn’t a gift.
No it’s more like “I don’t need it to be a goddamn Oscar winner to enjoy it”. It’s not blaming the viewer, it’s just saying that it still has good reasons to exist and if you have higher standards, off you go instead of just shitting on it in its entirety