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[–] silas@programming.dev 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I learned recently how the James Webb Space Telescope is not orbiting around Earth but literally orbiting around an empty point in space. I don’t think I even quite understand it, but it’s really cool

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For everyone who immediately thinks 'it's most likely orbiting a point within the earth,' here's a diagram to help:

[–] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Have no idea how this works... there is no gravitational pull at the L2 point, it's just an empty point in space 🀨.

[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is gravitational pull, from both the Earth and the Sun. The JWST is orbiting the "earth-sun system" if you will.

You can read more about Lagrange points here.

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So they solved the Three Body Problem?

[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not really a three body problem. For that, the gravity of the JWST would have to affect the other two bodies, but its gravity is negligible.

[–] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 14 points 1 year ago

JWST isn't going in circles, it's orbiting the sun. If you look at it relative to that, then it looks more like a sine wave rather than going in circles. However from the perspective of the earth, it looks like it's going in circles

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're tell me bro. I need to research this more.

[–] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Maybe gravitational push-pull between planets and moons... IDK, it might be some sweet spot they discovered where gravitational forces do weird things, lol πŸ˜‚.

[–] Balex@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This. There's 5 Legrange Points for every 2 body system. They're specific points around the 2 bodys where the gravity "cancels out". In this case the 2 body system is the Earth and the Sun. JWST is sitting a million miles from Earth at L2.

[–] MrBobDobalina@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dammit, I was feeling proud that my first thought on how this could work lined up with the explanation... But I had assumed L2 (didn't stop to think about the label) was where I now see L1 to be. I can wrap my head around L1 just fine, but how the heck is L2 the same? Or the others for that matter? Gonna stare at this for a while...

[–] Balex@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If you understand gravity wells, think of L1/L2/L3 as the shape of a saddle. If you're right in the middle of the saddle it's a pretty stable orbit, but if you get too close to any of the edges you fall right out of it. L4 and L5 are like the peaks of a mountain.

Also worth pointing out that only L4 and L5 are stable, L1/L2/L3 are only metastable where they require a bit of maintenance to stay there.

Another fun fact about Legrange Points: There's a group of asteroids called the Trojan Asteroids. There's technically two groups of these since they're stuck in L4 and L5 in the Sun/Jupiter system.

[–] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

Ah, so that's why we don't put shit in L4 and 5 πŸ˜‚... things will bump in them once in a while πŸ˜‚.

[–] PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES@lib.lgbt 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah but it's not at the L2 point, it's spinning in a circle around L2.

[–] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, my point exactly. There is no mass at the L2 point, so how can it spin around it.

Others explained it though, it makes sense now πŸ‘.

PS: What are enbies 🀨?

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A Lagrange point or whatever?

[–] darmabum@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Now I got that ZZ Top intro ear-worm…

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I think they did that on purpose