I worry about the sustainability, though. The current model of donations, volunteer mods, and so on is working as intended, and the experience is flourishing. I see this model standing up for at least a couple of years as-is, barring any major changes of any kind.

My question becomes: How do we plan for the future entry of corporate influence into all of this? Because it will happen. I've watched most social media platforms and systems come into being in my lifetime, and also watched most of their demises. Money, marketing, and ads always come for them in some form.

What's being done now to help prevent toxic corporate influence in the future? Can anything be done? The best part about defederated instances is a corporate influence could get ahold of one instance, but not all of them. Great in concept, but how do we plan for a future when corporate interest reaches these platforms and they throw enough money around to shake things up for the worse, as it always seems to?

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[–] snailwizard@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Unfortunately money makes the world go round. Part of the meaning of “no ethical consumption under capitalism” means that no matter who you are, no matter what kind of service you employ, no matter what you try and do for yourself, somewhere along the line capitalism comes in and causes someone to suffer. It’s pervasive and insidious.

If instances are completely supported by user donations, that’s great. But they will never match the billions of dollars that corps can toss around.

The only real way to prevent corporate influence on anything is to abolish corporations and/or capitalism. In the meantime, though, we as users can take steps to mitigate their influence: discuss proactively, agree to defederate at a moment’s notice, and server admins can refuse bribes/offers/etc.

[–] Jamie@jamie.moe 17 points 1 year ago

Admins who do play ball with Facebook could get pressured by other admins out of doing so. Great, you've taken Facebook's money, but now half the fediverse just shuttered themselves off from you.

[–] iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Couldn't agree more, well said. Moreover, I love the idea of defederation as a weapon against the fucking capitalists when they inevitably try to ruin the fediverse too.

Apes together strong, comrades!

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is no ethical consumption. State-run institutions are historically far worse for their users and good luck having any type of consistent strategic vision without some type of organizational structure. Non-profits like Wikimedia Foundation are by and large the way to go for future and sustained platform support. Yes, that is still capitalism. It is capitalism without the profit motive.

[–] jandar_fett@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you actually have capitalism without the profit motive? I am skeptical.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Unless you believe that people are solely motivated by money, absolutely. I do believe that the entire basis behind most left-leaning ideologies supports the idea that they are not.

[–] iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Couldn't agree more, well said. Moreover, I love the idea of defederation as a weapon against the fucking capitalists when they inevitably try to ruin the fediverse too.

Apes together strong, comrades!

[–] iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Couldn't agree more, well said. Moreover, I love the idea of defederation as a weapon against the fucking capitalists when they inevitably try to ruin the fediverse too.

Apes together strong, comrades!

[–] iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Couldn't agree more, well said. Moreover, I love the idea of defederation as a weapon against the fucking capitalists when they inevitably try to ruin the fediverse too.

Apes together strong, comrades!

[–] iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Couldn't agree more, well said. Moreover, I love the idea of defederation as a weapon against the fucking capitalists when they inevitably try to ruin the fediverse too.

Apes together strong, comrades!

[–] iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Couldn't agree more, well said. Moreover, I love the idea of defederation as a weapon against the fucking capitalists when they inevitably try to ruin the fediverse too.

Apes together strong, comrades!

[–] morgan_423@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Just FYI, there's an issue at .world at the moment (probably from massive sudden population growth) where you can submit a comment and it looks like it didn't go (spins and spins, or an error, or it looks like you didn't even click the submit button), but it actually did.

I've been checking mine by opening a new tab on my profile to make sure the comments actually went (left click your user name upper right, right click Profile, open in new tab).

Just thought I'd mention it as you accidentally posted that comment a bunch of times. Server growing pains, lol

[–] iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Couldn't agree more, well said. Moreover, I love the idea of defederation as a weapon against the fucking capitalists when they inevitably try to ruin the fediverse too.

Apes together strong, comrades!

[–] iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Couldn't agree more, well said. Moreover, I love the idea of defederation as a weapon against the fucking capitalists when they inevitably try to ruin the fediverse too.

Apes together strong, comrades!

[–] iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Couldn't agree more, well said. Moreover, I love the idea of defederation as a weapon against the fucking capitalists when they inevitably try to ruin the fediverse too.

Apes together strong, comrades!