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Point 1 is paramount. 5 is important also from a tech standpoint. The rest are very good points.
I really like that we can see the activity. People are using downvote way too easily. Lets make everyone accountable.
edit: hey downvoters, come off your high horse and argue. right now all your saying is "shut up", so for me you are contributing to exclude people to express themself. this is not at all what I'm looking forward in this community.
@aroom I don't like this because I know that people in public and especially on the internet, can have absolute psychopathic reactions to simple discussions. I don't need some lunatic looking through my history because I downvoted them for saying something that is clearly insane - I would rather stay relatively anonymous.
And that is without even considering doxxing.
if it become this toxic, you can block the user. I for one welcome the transparency and think that this downvote habit some have is building an unwelcoming environment, far different from what I'm experiencing on the fediverse since years.
so I'm not so ok with it. but to anyone their own opinion.
We should have the ability to manage what of our data goes out to the internet/advertisers/scrapers/other users. Non negotiable.
I totally agree. We could let this info be private between users.
Advertiser makes a user account that is a bot for harvesting data. Now it isn't between human users anymore. And more than that I don't think I want people I don't know having access to information I don't want them to have access to.
but if you interact with me I'd like to know. So where do you draw the line? or maybe I don't understand you correctly.
I don't want to be advocating to less privacy, so feel free to correct me, but just by interacting with each other right now, without using the upvote and downvote system, we are already giving information to potential scrappers no? The solution would be to remove upvote and downvote all together then?
I like how favorite works on mastodon. we could achieve the same on kbin?
Could it be possible to have two kinds of boosts, anon boost or tracked boost? The standard default could be anon with a hover option for tracked, with the default being a setting that can be flipped.
as for now boosts and upvotes on kbin works like boost and favorite on mastodon. I think that it's good to keep this compatibility.
in my option if we can't take responsibility of our action, be called by our name for them, we shouldn't act. we need to address some privacy aspect tho, regarding external party. but between to users I welcome this transparency.
Downvoting has always been used as an easy disagree button in every platform that has ever had it. Why not stop pretending it means something else and just embrace how it will inevitably be used anyway?
because we are building something new here and we don't need to keep this "always been used as" policy. it's up to us to choose how it's gonna be used in here.
I don't know if you were on mastodon when the twitter migration happened. the people from twitter embraced the fediverse values, and most didn't fight to bring the twitter behaviour into it. it's refreshing for everyone and it can be a safe and welcoming place.
not everything is perfect, far from it, but we can try to make it better.
I agree with you in principle, but I think the OP might be making a different point, which is that you can't really convince everyone to use votes in any particular way. Most people will go with their gut intuition, and most people's gut compels them to vote based on agree/disagree, so that's the behavior you're gonna get.
totally. maybe I'm really naive to think that we can all agree to keep "fediverse etiquette" around here. or just any etiquette at all.
we will see.
that being said I really enjoy exchanging about this with everyone involved so far.
You completely missed my point. Reddit pretends that downvotes aren't supposed to be used as an easy disagree button. That pretension is the behavior I want to leave behind. If we're going to have a downvote button at all, lets acknowledge how it will be used instead of pretending we can change human nature with an FAQ.
thanks for clarifying it then. why not go this direction. but I think that you are wrong to assume how determined the behaviour from users gonna be.
it's up to us to decide. maybe through UI design choice tho.