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[–] IndefiniteBen@leminal.space 64 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Interesting that this is focused on the UK and mentions Europe. I (like other commenters) expected this was about the US market before I read the article.

That would mean they were subject to EURO emissions regulations.

[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've noticed a huge uptake in big American trucks here in Europe. I hate it!

[–] IndefiniteBen@leminal.space 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same here. They need a higher tax unless it's actually a work vehicle.

[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago

Even then they shouldn't be allowed imho, a van is a much more practical work vehicle and is actually designed to be practical for work. A van sits 2 or maybe 3, not sacrificing a huge amount of space for backseats and an extra set of doors. There is usually one or two big sliding doors, which don't require a lot of room to open but provide a lot of access. They don't have a huge nose with a giant engine. The nose is kept as small as possible, so the space is maximized whilst the vehicle size is minimized. The driver position is designed to have maximum visibility, the vehicle is expected to navigate relatively small spaces, with other people also working there, so you need to see as much as possible. Two big doors in the back give plenty of access and usually can be closed in a way larger cargo can stick out of the back (within safety limits). Usually there's also a roof rack, with some trades permanently mounting stuff like ladders and conduit. Large long items can be securely transported there. All other cargo is inside, not exposed to the elements or theft. The metal panels are kept flat, this again maximizes space whilst minimizing vehicle size. The panels are also very easy and quick to repair, as damage is expected being a work vehicle. The places with the most chance of damage usually have blank metal bars, when damaged they can be repaired or replaced easily and cheap. Vans overall are way more practical, cheaper to own and operate and actually designed with a working life in mind.

The whole big trucks are for work argument doesn't fly, they are super impractical for actual work. Maybe a pickup truck from the late 80s or 90s filled the role as a mix between work vehicle and daily driver better. Which could be useful for rural people which wouldn't have to have multiple vehicles. But not today.

[–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Boring coloured SUV is the British car landscape now. The motorways are depressing enough but it's a grey scale dystopia now.

[–] MusketeerX@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Exactly the same in Australia.

[–] ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought it was at first too. In the U.S. (at least, here in Texas) I feel like the bigger offender is all the lifted trucks, coal-rollers, etc. Not sure how bad muscle cars are but they're also very prevalent. Seems like every 5th person in my city has a Mustang or Charger with a muffler delete.

[–] SamBBMe@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

The US transitioned to SUVs and trucks a long time ago now, so those emissions are already built in

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Have you seen the number of fannies driving about in Audi SUVs these days?

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They are and carbon emissions restrictions between Euro 5 and 6 didn't change for gas cars. Carbon emissions are directly linked to fuel economy, it either comes out as CO or CO2, that study didn't mention other emissions because it would have shown that more modern SUVs emit less than 10 years old cars because Euro 6 is more strict for the rest. If comparing diesels the difference is even greater.

Heck, with the deterioration of the emission equipment the more modern SUV is probably better for carbon emissions and it's only on paper that the older vehicle is better.