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It's not a zero sum game.
I have no idea what you mean by that. Do you think sex workers benefit from the system that tries to exploit them? Do you or dont you think that sex workers are complict in rape culture? Because accusing sex workers of being complicit in the system that exploits them is what makes it SWERF bullshit, not the mere criticism of sex work. Thats where the line is.
He's a lemmygrad debatebro, he just hates women.
This growing animosity makes me sad
But yeah im not going to pretend lemmygrad doesnf have a debatebro problem going on, even if i think its a minority
It is a minority, but as usual such minorities are enough to make spaces unsafe for women when they have official backing or at least tacit acceptance of their behavior. That's what turns it from just a minority that can be dealt with into a structural flaw of the community. The recent controversy about transmysogyny and liberal civility politics on lemmygrad unfortunately isn't the first example of women complaining about their mistreatment on that instance. Just look at the reasoning of the guy you're arguing with - his problem isn't exploitation in sex work or coercive material conditions that pressure women who otherwise wouldn't do so into sex work, it's that he views it as dishonorable to perform sex work. He makes a moral argument against the woman where he puts the blame squarely on the sex worker because he's a sexist pig who poisons a leftist space with reactionary ideology.
Lmao I'm literally saying what women in my own community are telling me. Not everyone agrees with you.
Either start explaining your position or shut the fuck up dude. Nobody is going to learn what the fuck you're talking about if you just keep choosing to be a vague dickhead about it. At best all you're doing is alienating potential understanders.
This is the article people on lemmygrad usually throw around for this topic.
I dont see how this article backs up CountryBreakfast's point at all. It doesn't implicate sex workers as being implict in the system that takes advantage of them. It also makes a point of making it clear that they're only talking about "prostitution" and not other forms of sex work (OnlyFans, which is being discussed here).
I didnt read the whole thing in detail, but the tl;dr at the end, the main points, I find nothing to disagree with there. And I feel like most hexbears agree with whats there. But it doesnt back up what CountryBreakfast was saying.
People on this instance tend to rail against the sex trade as a whole pretty hard. You'll sometimes see people get so caught up in hating johns and pimps that they'll disregard the perspective of sex workers.
Yeah therein lies my problem. Glad you can see it though.
Like the average reactionary, you're doing the "my black friends agree with my racism" thing, too.
Well aren't you just tied in knots. Listening to women talk about rape culture is now the equivalent of racism. You can silence women faster than a fucking plantation aristocrat. Any other ironic or laughably stupid metaphors you have to justify the sex trade?
It's you who is trying to silence women here, you fucking debatebro incel pig. You're talking to one.
You dont understand agency and you don't understand how victims can be recruited into damaging systems. Somehow we can uncontroversially say that white women can be used to advance patriarchy and imperialism, but anything that complicates your access to bodies on the market becomes a zero sum game.