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[–] WidowsFavoriteSon@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Do Hamas claims require independent confirmation, or only Israeli ones?

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago

Excellent point. I propose a cease fire so international observers can enter Gaza to verify these claims.

[–] superguy@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just like with the Ukraine-Russia war, both sides are going to be lying and we won't have a clear picture of what's going on for a long time.

Pretty much anyone who 100% believes one side is an idiot that doesn't understand propaganda in war. I don't think that's most people, though.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

We've known that Israel is a white supremacist settler-colonial project since 1949 - I'd say seventy plus years qualifies as "a long time" in this regard.

[–] nimnim@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Blindly accepting the claims of a terrorist organization is the new norm apparently.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're right. There should be a cease fire so neutral international observers can go investigate.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago
[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did they downplay anything though?

[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm not saying the 6 million number is wrong I'm just asking for evidence?

Is it easier to see what WidowsFavoriteSon is doing now that I flipped it around? It's called JAQing off

The point is to ask what sound like reasonable questions but in reality you're just trying to sew uncertainty for others. Check WidowsFavoriteSon's history, they're not asking in good faith.

If they weren't just stirring shit it's easy to look up which side has killed more civilians. And this is how the data is collected:

Information about occupation and conflict-related casualties is regularly collected by OCHA field staff and entered into OCHA’s Protection of Civilians database, following review and verification. As a rule, for an incident to be entered into the database it needs to be validated by at least two independent and reliable sources. Exceptions to this rule include incidents resulting in Israeli injuries, where information is typically based on media reports.

And the fact that this line of questioning exactly mirrors holocaust denialism is gross. I know, har har, godwin's law; but it's really the same fucking thing. I would bet money that it's not an accident.

[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Well the post history does pull the rug from under me haha