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President Joe Biden was asked by a reporter in Israel on Wednesday what made him confident that the Israelis weren't behind the explosion that killed hundreds at a Gaza hospital on Tuesday.

Biden responded that it was "the data I was shown by my Defense Department."

Two U.S. officials told ABC News the Pentagon independently concluded the Gaza hospital blast was likely caused by an errant Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket that fell short of its target.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

People "fighting for their homeland" rarely just give up. And you've got two sides who earnestly believe they're doing just that.

There's no peace here. Northern Ireland managed it, but the body counts and level of violence aren't even remotely comparable. It took Israel and Palestine about a week to blow through what The Troubles took 40 years to kill.

Each time it kicks off we in the West wonder how we could solve it. We can't. It's not our problem to fix. We certainly had a hand in making it but it's an impossible tangle of blood, bodies and beliefs that nobody can undo.

The world's media looks on but we're mostly just rubbernecking. Few of us have any skin in the game. Takes our mind off our own shit countries I suppose.

[–] Dreamer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is no two sides. One foreign people wanted another people's land, and they used some past ancestry / religious fanaticism / racism to commit atrocities in the process of stealing the land.

Burying the Nakba: How Israel Systematically Hides Evidence of 1948 Expulsion of Arabs

Classified Docs Reveal Massacres of Palestinians in '48 – and What Israeli Leaders Knew

When former IDF soldiers and Holocaust survivors take a firm anti-Zionist stance, it's probably because the Zionist side is shit.

Breaking the Silence is also an Israeli organization composed of IDF veterans giving testimonies such as the IDF using ambulances to conceal combatants or using human shields.

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[–] steltek@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You will not achieve peace by totally dismissing one party at the table. You have not proposed any solutions or even a path to a solution.

You have only encouraged more violence by pointing fingers.

[–] rambaroo@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

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[–] steltek@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Even now, my brain won't ever wrap its head around modern countries like Ireland and N. Ireland feeling the need for things like "peace walls" between neighbors.

Your comment sums up a lot of my feelings: a true peace can't be forced from the outside. It's way too complicated and emotional for simplistic shit. And you can see it in the comments around here too. Everyone's wrapped up in intense anger, blame, and reciting the litany of past horrors as justification for new ones.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In fairness, most of the people in Gaza have been born and raised in an era where the strip is their homeland. They've never experienced a settlement, they've been ruled by Palestinians their whole lives and the borders were the same as the 1967 ones.

[–] rambaroo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah it's so fair that they get to live in an open air prison that's been under blockade for 20 years. You make it sound like Gaza is a functioning country.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

An objectively ineffective blockade based on the amount of rocket fire coming out of Gaza.

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 2 points 1 year ago

Also worth saying that the two sides in Northern Ireland, although originally sundered on the basis of sectarian religion, still shared a suite of cultural commonalities inasmuch as they were all basically from Ireland and the British Isles and had similarly bad teeth, cock-eyed inbred ugliness together with a generalized dislike of anyone perceived as an outsider, but.