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NY bill would require a criminal history background check for the purchase of a 3D printer
(www.nysenate.gov)
this post was submitted on 16 Oct 2023
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Classic pro-gun community, rushing to brigade a gun-related post with pre-prepared talking points.
"Why bother fixing gun laws that clearly fail to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people when you can just 3D print a gun?"
*someone makes a move to stop dangerous people 3D printing guns*
"Why bother preventing dangerous people 3D printing guns when you can just buy a bit of pipe at the hardware store?"
Criminals and domestic terrorists overwhelmingly just go to a store and buy a gun. The pro-gun community is fine with this.
For the minority that can't, straw purchases, gun show loopholes and poorly secured firearms give them much better access to safer, more reliable guns than 3D printing does. The pro-gun community is fine with this too.
A tiny fraction of crimes involve 3D printed gun parts and I'm not aware of any domestic terrorism to use any. Nevertheless, somebody could in theory print parts for a fully automatic weapon that would potentially be reliable enough for a mass shooting.
So how many crimes are being comitted with a piece of old pipe?
I know self-absorbed, gun-owning, 300lbs men pretending they'd be useful in a militia want to angrily hammer out a comment along the lines of "WHAT ABOUT THAT ASSASSINATION IN JAPAN YOU CUCK".
But the one example you can cite without googling, from every single country with gun control was clearly dogshit barely worked.
It would be a massive improvement if American criminals were forced to use home made firearms that significantly increased the price, difficulty to obtain and the danger to themselves using it.
But the pro-gun community objects by walking down a list of bullshit excuses because they can't just say "I'd rather people were shot than I was inconvienced".
It's crazy how the first thing you did was complain about people with premade talking points rushing to brigade a post, yet you're in here posting walls of text under everyone who is pointing out the logical inconsistencies of banning unregulated 3d printers but not other hardware related purchases.
Even stranger is, I can't figure out what you're upset about. You yourself say that only a tiny fraction of gun violence comes from 3d printed weapons, you say you're against the bill, so why are you getting hostile and making wild, baseless as hominem attacks against people who think it's a pointless bill?
It seems like they latched onto the idea that everyone who comments along the lines of "This is a stupid idea.", secretly intends to say "This is a stupid idea, which is why there shouldn't be any gun regulation at all." instead. Needless to say, that's an insane take and only results in them constructing these giant straw man arguments against people who are most likely on the same side as them.
They sound straight up unhinged lol, someone says they don't think it's a good idea and they fly off the handle calling people 300lb gun nuts living in their mom's basement. It makes me sad because I suspect they probably share a lot of similar views as I do but when they present themselves like this it just makes anyone that's unsure of their own political stance think everyone is as batshit as this dude.
I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make here since the things before and after your "yet" have nothing to do with each other.
Are you trying to claim I'm brigading with a single account or somehow manipulating votes?
Well that's on you.
Oh damn I was hoping you didn't know that you can instantly win any debate by just (almost) saying the names of logical fallacies.
"Ad Hominem" means that someone isn't inherently wrong just because they're dogshit. They can both still be wrong and dogshit.
Want to point out exactly where I claimed someone must be wrong because they were a bad person?
I don’t think that’s what anyone was thinking…. Until you said this. Are you brigading with a single account or somehow manipulating votes?
This is classic gish gallop. Downvote and move on.
Well, inherently not on the brigading but if you suspect there is voting manipulation going on, by all means dig into it.
My votes are public, the same as any other users. Maybe you could create a site that listed the voting history for each comment? I'm sure the results would be fascinating in every gun related thread.
Yeaaah... I don't think you're worth anyone's time seriously responding to. Lol. Hope you have a good day man.
I'm not pro-gun, stupid. I'm pro-thinking which you're clearly not. Nice troll username btw.
I love when people like the guy you responded to show up, it's so easy to block them on Lemmy.
You rushed right in with their talking points, so I assumed your goal was to spread them. I don't want to break your little heart but I respond to the things people say on social media without forming an intimate relationship with them first.
In other words you're literally a knee jerk. Good to know.
Yes I'm literally a figurative concept.
Understood. Are you for or against the proposed NY legislation?
I'm against it because I know the pro-gun claim of "fixing deeply flawed gun laws is pointless because people will just 3D print guns" is a lie.
Should it one day come true, I'd reconsider my position.
But it hasn't come true anywhere else in the world, nor have any other pro-gun promises come true in the last 20 years.
The point of a fully printed gun would be a zip gun mostly. One shot up close to steal a real gun from a better equipped force. Same with a pipe gun. They're for upgrading.
Okay, so you should be able to provide plenty of examples of this happening then right?
Why would I? If you knew what a zip gun was for you'd realize how ignorant that question is.
Regardless, here's a historical zip.
I think Japan had a recent situation with a hand made firearm as well.
Okay, so not how criminals and terrorists get their guns, because they just walk into a shop and buy them.
lol only the right wing extremist terrorists in the US do it that way, everyone else has to go black market.
Sure, especially considering they said fully printed -- no pre-made firearm components.
The FP-45 Liberator pistol and the CIA's Deer Gun are "real" guns designed for that exact purpose: to kill someone at close range to steal their gun. The first "successful" 3d printed gun was the Defense Distributed Liberator, followed by a plethora of single shot "zip guns" of the same type.
So ... a bunch of 3d printed guns specifically copied from the concept of the FP-45 and Deer Gun.
I fixed your link. I wouldn't want people missing out on that "Usage" section.
Thanks though, I've bookmarked it for when people claim that gun restrictions are pointless because of 3D printers.