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‘Murdered in cold blood’: stories emerge of Israelis killed at Gaza border
(www.theguardian.com)
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You’re right, both sides of this conflict have their own flavors of atrocities
One side just happens to be a supposed democracy with one of the most advanced armies in the world with the most destructive and deadly capabilities with endless funding.
It's two sides. But not even sides. Not even close.
One side holds 100 hostages and shoots home made rockets into a wasteland.
The other side holds 2.3 million hostages, and bombs civilians in one of the most densely populated area in the world.
It's two sides. But not even sides. Not even close
I never claimed they have symmetric capabilities and I agree that Israel holds a significantly higher burden to avoid civilian casualties due to their capability, but that doesn’t change the fact that Hamas intentionally commits atrocities. The IRA spent 30 years bombing British troops and sometimes civilians in their aim for a United Ireland and got nowhere. Hamas has only achieved the perpetuation of the suffering in Gaza and potentially the prevention of a more moderate (Saudi funded) political alternative in Gaza. I genuinely think the Saudi Israeli rapprochement is what this is all about.
Hate to break it to you, the OG IRA used violence and got most of the country in 1921. Republican groups used violence in the north in the late 60s to 70s and it improved the very real injustices facing Catholics at the time.
Violence has always been needed to change things in a meaningful way.
I’m aware of Ireland’s independence war. I don’t find the original IRA to be a comparable situation, they had wide popular support in Ireland with the exception of the north for obvious reasons. I find the Provisional IRA hardened the views of Protestants that could have otherwise been convinced that the land ownership voting system was unjust. I don’t see how their role in escalating violence in that turned Belfast and Derry into war zones helped anyone. Not everything needs a bloody revolution, political solutions do sometimes work and I think the Good Friday agreement is a good example of that.
Hate to break it to you again but peaceful methods didn't work at the start of the troubles and protestant view were already hardened. It took a lot of violence to get to a point where things changed. You can argue that political solution and peace could have happened before 98 but as for a lot of civil rights movements violence started to get things moving to a point where the oppressor has to engage in more peaceful ways.