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[–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How strong is Wagner compared to Russian military? Are we talking ~1/10 of the strength, 1/100, 1/1000?

[–] skillissuer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

wagner had 50k in dec 2022 and it was probably peak, before february 2022 ru army had 300k active duty, so i'd say it's somewhere between 1/10 and 1/100. closer to 1/100

[–] Redex68@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The main problem is that if they really started fighting, Wagner is wholly reliant on the Russian army to support them with ammunition. Wagner has no logistics and would quickly crumble from it.

[–] skillissuer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

oh yeah this counts manpower only, and maybe small arms and some light equipment are in similar proportions. wagner has, for its size, little heavy equipment, virtually no engineering equipment, and shoiguu where is my ammunition

[–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would it be good for Ukraine if they supported wagner, even just a little bit, if they decide to turn against Putin? Maybe just enough to keep them a threat, but not enough to give them a chance of achieving anything significant.

[–] skillissuer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

i think that's the job of RDK, but don't quote me on this

[–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow thats a lot more than I expected. I thought they are just a loud bunch of mercenaries. They can actually do some decent damage if they decide to turn on putin.

[–] skillissuer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that was their peak, remember just bakhmut ground down low tens of thousands of them (20k? 25k?)

[–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

I never really paid a lot of attention to the numbers. I'll definitely start now.

[–] YeetTheRich@dataterm.digital 4 points 1 year ago

I don't think its helpful to draw a distinction between the two. Wagner is part of Russia's military.