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Israel was taken by surprise by the most ambitious operation Hamas has ever launched from Gaza.

The scale of what's been happening is unprecedented. Hamas breached the wire that separates Gaza from Israel in multiple places in the most serious cross-border attack Israel has faced in more than a generation.

It came a day after the 50th anniversary of the surprise attack by Egypt and Syria in 1973 that started a major Middle East war. The significance of the date will not have been lost on the Hamas leadership.

Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says his country is at war and will exact a heavy price from its enemies.

Videos and photos of dead Israelis, civilians as well as soldiers, are all over social media.

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[–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Terrorism is not the means to combat this. Murdering and kidnapping civilians is never excusable.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're aware that terrorism is how Israel became Israel. Look into proto Israeli bombings of civilian targets.

On 22 July 1946, Irgun bombed the British administrative headquarters for Palestine, which was housed in the southern wing[142] of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem.[143][144][145] A total of 91 people of various nationalities were killed and 46 were injured.[146] The hotel was the site of the Secretariat of the Government of Palestine and the Headquarters of the British Armed Forces in Mandatory Palestine and Transjordan.

[–] dasgoat@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Reason why Netanyahu is such a cunt is because he's still miffed that he had to miss out on the good old days when his inspirations still bombed left and right

[–] Clown_Tempura@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So what is the solution? Rolling over and dying as Israel genocides them in slow-motion while the rest of the world looks on and shrugs? Hamas is a putrid, evil organization, but the Palestinians have no other options. No one gives a shit what's happening to them.

[–] Appleseuss@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Terrorism to one group is freedom fighting to another.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Freedom fighters don't gun down civilians at music festivals

This is not "freedom fighting"

[–] Custodian1623@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

disgusting that people defend this because "Israel bad." get a grip, Hamas would do the same to you if you were in their path.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I even largely agree with the claim "Israel bad." This is not how you get Israel to stop doing the bad things.

This is just totally fucked.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah it has been for decades and decades but suddenly because Israel actually gets hurt for once in like what 60 fucking years it's a step too far.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When either side has murdered civilians, I have called that side out. Terrorism is not acceptable

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Terrorism is a staple of human life and always has been. We've reduced that somewhat but it still remains.

This is simply what happens when you run an apartied state.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So is child molestation and I don't tolerate that either

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

True enough but you're probably not complicit in your governments involvement in the middle East either.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

If you truly believe this about yourself, go take a look at actual death rates between the two throughout the history of the conflict.

See how many orders of magnitude we're talking in terms of Palestinian deaths compared to Israeli.

Then, look at the statistics about how many of those Israelis were civilians vs. how many of the Palestinians were. Percentage-wise.

The IDF is wantonly murdering Palestinian civilians all of the time. Usually they respond by attacking IDF soldiers. Until this event. In general, one side is targeting civilians and it ain't Palestine.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're confusing "defending," with "explaining"

[–] Custodian1623@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Anyone who unironically calls this "freedom fighting" is not merely explaining. Not happening in this comment chain but absolutely elsewhere on lemmy and social media