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When I look at https://lemmy.ml/c/startrek vs https://kbin.social/m/startrek I see two entirely different lists of posts. Why? It's the same topic, just on different instances. How can we have communities about topics without having them siloed into their own instance-based communities? Is this just related to that 0.18 issue with Lemmy/kbin not talking nicely, or is this how the Fediverse is?

Is it (at least theoretically) possible for me to post an article on https://kbin.social/m/startrek and have it automatically show up on https://lemmy.ml/c/startrek, or are they always going to be two separate communities?

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[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are plenty of news subreddits. I greatly preferred /r/anime_titties, for example.

On Reddit, since there's only one "instance" and can never be any others, there can only be a single community named "news." If the name is really so important then the ability to "reuse" the name on other instances gives an advantage to the Fediverse.

People don't want to post in two communities that cover the same topic.

Then don't. I really don't understand what you think is going on here. If there's one community you prefer, stick with that.

If you fragment users into multiple instances

They are not fragmented. In what way are they fragmented? Everyone can participate in communities on every instance, no matter where they are.

people won't leave that instance

People don't need to leave that instance.

In other words: why go to !worldnews@kbin.social when there's so many more users, and so much more fresh content on https://reddit.com/r/worldnews?

Because Reddit's admins suck? Why else are you here?

[–] timbervale@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are plenty of news subreddits. I greatly preferred /r/anime_titties, for example.

r/news has 26.34 million users. r/anime_titties has 0.47 (even you even somehow stumble upon r/anime_titties being a news/politics subreddit, as I didn't even know it existed until just now, and even then I didn't think "news" when I saw the name of it). Those are two drastically different experiences. Do you at least agree on that?

Then don't. I really don't understand what you think is going on here. If there's one community you prefer, stick with that.

I feel like you're not following the train of logic, here... we're discussing what happens when you can't/won't "stick with that".

They are not fragmented. In what way are they fragmented? Everyone can participate in communities on every instance, no matter where they are.

They are fragmented. Just because they can post somewhere doesn't mean they will. It's why !startrek@startrek.website has 4,870 subscribers, 190 threads, and 3,180 comments, and yet !startrek@kbin.social only has 810 subscribers, 10 threads, and 17 comments. If having the ability to post in multiple places meant people actually did post in multiple places, then !startrek@kbin.social would be a whole log more active, wouldn't it?

People don't need to leave that instance.

You're right, but they would need to start posting to whatever community/magazine I'm subscribed to, or else the community/magazine I'm subscribed to wouldn't have any content, and then why would I bother being subscribed to it?

Because Reddit's admins suck? Why else are you here?

If your only reason was because Reddit admins suck, you could have just quit the internet all together, but you came to kbin for a specific reason. You moved away from Reddit because of the admins, but you moved to kbin because of the content. Now imagine if there were no places with any content; you'd have nowhere to move to, and quitting the internet would be a more appealing option than posting in a magazine with 10 threads over 2 weeks.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The suckiness of Reddit's admins is adversely affecting the content. It's preventing me from browsing it with my chosen tools, it's crippling the ability of mods to keep their big giant communities running, and so forth.

I've come to the Fediverse to see content that's free of those restrictions. Unlike you, I don't see inherent value in having millions and millions of people subscribed to a given community. Small communities can still have plenty of interesting content. And these small communities are growing, if there's not enough content to your tastes right now then you can either contribute some or come back in a while to see if there's more.

The earlier suggestion about multireddit-like functionality helps, too, by splicing together the content of multiple smaller communities. At the user's discretion.

I feel like you're not following the train of logic, here

Oh, the irony.

we're discussing what happens when you can't/won't "stick with that".

Then you go to a different community. On the Fediverse it's super easy. As I've been saying.

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t really get why the size of a community even matters beyond a certain point. As we’ve seen with default subs, vs more niche alternatives, communities generally go to shit once they get too big.

[–] timbervale@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It's because below a certain threshold the amount of content posted is low. I don't think you can argue that a news sub is worse off for having more people posting news as it happens.