Probably. Do you have any deprogramming resources handy? I‘d really like to have answers to people who think we need to have rich overlords to live appropriately.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Anarchy Works" by Peter Gelderloos is one of the most compelling arguments I've ever seen for debunking the idea that capitalism and trade are normal behaviors for humans, and it's honestly a smooth and pleasant read. Just the introduction alone is enough.

Text: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works

Audiobook Introduction: https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=Ht-2t2K68ls

Audiobook Chapter 1: https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=gleMbLbbYv4

Audiobook Chapter 2: https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=PUK_PAYNtmE

[–] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for mentioning those. I‘ve checked out the book. It‘s not bad so far but I‘m not convinced just yet. :)

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't really read things to convince myself of anything, but there's a lot of food for thought.

[–] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Definitely. I do though. Books have always helped me to make sense of the things I see. Life has been rough and an early dip into psychology helped to stay mostly sane.

Seeing that the world is still struggling although our efficiency is through the roof makes me think there must be a reason for it.

Easiest answer is capitalism and we know that our gains accumulate at the top, not spread through the population. Still, I‘d like a more science based explanation and solutions.

That way I can stand behind it without needing to follow blindly. Tried that. Doesn’t work for me. I hope it makes sense for you. :)

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The biggest trick is to break people out of their capitalist programming. Instead of rebuttals, just ask questions.

"We need landlords"

Why?

"Because they provide housing, duh"

Ok, but what about housing do they provide? They don't build the buildings, they just own it.

"Sure, but they do the repairs"

They do, but why do tenants have to pay someone else to live there in case a repair is needed? What if the tenants owned the building together instead?

[–] Ataraxia@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

If you think this is a simulation you can hack then I have news for you...

[–] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Asking questions is a good idea. But I‘m convinced there is a lot more needed than this.

I don’t think people think that we „need“ landlords, just that this is the system we have and they are not used to thinking for themselves.

If you remember the kids in school that were popular: they mostly had cool sneakers or were sweet talkers of some kind. None of them actually were smart or did anything particularly interesting. Same goes for CEOs today.

The reason we have capitalism (in my opinion) is because we are braindead as a group. The overwhelming majority lacks the skills to judge character, skill or even experience. We elect people without social accomplishments to public offices.

That is also why hiring in companies is such a mess. Companies looking for specific keywords in a cv or letter will never get the best specialists because the people they hire are specialists and gaming the system, not at their job.

We‘re naturally drawn to narcissists because they are good at selling themselves. We should be looking at the quiet person. They are normally 8 times better than the loudmouth.

Have a good one. Sorry for the rant.