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[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Experts say economic mismanagement and political repression are largely to blame for the tide of migrants leaving those countries.

[–] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That's kind of a weird line to include in an allegedly "straight news" article, since tons of other experts also seem to point to the sanctions as a big factor.

Example, [here].(https://globalaffairs.org/commentary-and-analysis/blogs/lifting-sanctions-could-reduce-pressure-us-border)

[–] LukeMedia@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Along with what other users have said, as long as the experts they spoke to said that, they are being accurate in their reporting. Just because the experts they spoke to said it, doesn't mean it's true.

[–] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they just say "experts," it gives the impression that there is a broad consensus in the field, which I'm not sure is the case here (cmv, I guess). If they just included that line after talking to like two people, that feels like a downgrade in quality from what I'd expect from AP.

[–] LukeMedia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not going to attempt to change your view, because I agree with it. I just like to explore the other side of the coin sometimes.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The sanctions can be a “big factor” and it can also “largely” be the cause of mismanagement. These are not incompatible.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fixed link

I wouldn't say it is a massive factor. It would likely help Cuba quite a bit. But Venezuela is an economic nightmare. Those two are also not the main source of immigration; central American nations are.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

“Could” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that whole article.

[–] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's a counterfactual so it's hard for anyone to say with certainty when there are so many factors at play. That was sort of my point though, since the statement in OP's article implies that Obrador is categorically wrong here.

[–] goffy59@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There is a reaaon they are sanctioned. Nice try krembot.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

We should have dropped sanctions on Cuba once Fidel was out of the picture. There is very little reason to keep them going now.

[–] TheActualDevil@sffa.community 7 points 1 year ago

What do you think the reasons are?

The stated purpose of the Cuban Democracy Act of 1992 is to maintain sanctions on Cuba as long as the Cuban government refuses to move toward "democratization and greater respect for human rights." ^cite^

If that was actually true, half the countries the US trades with should be embargoed. Saudi Arabia, a monarchy?

U.S. goods and services trade with Saudi Arabia totaled an estimated $46.6 billion in 2022. Exports were $21.6 billion; imports were $24.9 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with Saudi Arabia was $3.3 billion in 2022. ^cite^

Let's not lie to ourselves, it's always been about the Communism Boogie man. But if you want to cultivate capitalism in a country, cutting off the ability for free trade outside that country isn't the way to do it. America's influence stops other countries from trading there as well so they have no option but to rely on a government focused economic system as they're the only ones with the ability to really participate in any market elsewhere. I agree that tankies can go fuck themselves, but you're letting 60 year old propaganda get to you. The rest of the world has no problem with Cuba and it's getting weirder and weirder that the US continues these unreasonable sanctions like a middle school bully holding a grudge well into middle-age. I can only assume you're so sure because it's just always been that way and you assume it's for a good reason.

[–] Sooperstition@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, there is. It’s called the Red Scare.