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At this point? There's probably no way he'll end it peacefully. But peace, in my mind, means the war ending, and the only acceptable way, that will bring actual peace, is for Russia to give up or be defeated.
Wishing for peace doesn't mean I'm asking for each side to join hands and sing kumbaya.
It's not our job to negotiate but the problem really is that nobody even wants to negotiate.
But in a war you will negotiate and if that's before everybody clubs their heads in or after that.
But what happened after the day the Russians attacked: Immediately everybody was completely polarized by the media: Either you're pro NATO (or pro Ukraine but at this point it's more or less the same) or pro Russia.
But the gentleman woman or whatever their gender is, that you replied as well as me and many others don't want politics centered on war against Russia, why not peace for Ukraine because, or course Russia's invasion is not justified from the NATO expansions, but if we club our heads in in Ukraine, what will to the people there and in small parts in Russia? They loose their family their own life and as well as their homes and (some aspects of their) culture.
War is always bad and I see your point that Putin is a war mongoring asshole, but give peace a chance. ๐๏ธ
Yes war is hell, people die, families are torn apart, parents burry their children. Putin started this war, he didn't have to and he could stop it with a word but he doesn't. He keeps doubling down. It's not that no one wants peace. Everyone wants peace. What they each want to negotiate for peace is incompatible with the other. Ukraine wants it's land and sovereignty back. Putin's regime wants that land and sovereignty over Ukraine. There's nothing to negotiate for when your goals are so incompatible. There's nothing to negotiate for when your land is occupied. There's nothing to negotiate for when your opponent will only use that opportunity to come back stronger than before. If somehow Putin could offer something impossible that would prevent Russia from ever invading Ukraine again then MAYBE there can be a peace and that's probably Putin's head on a platter.
I think peace could be made it there would be a civil war against Putin or a coup d'etat and I am surprised it has not happened yet.
But yeah I see your point but I think we should always strive for peace and I think that it could be possible for somebody to stop Putler without destroying Ukraine, Russia or worse, the entire fucking world.
We are all one fucking button away from two suns in the sunset.
I would love that to be true, I wish it was possible to stop Putin without blowing up half of Europe and threatening the rest of the world. I sincerely wish you were right, but that's not the world we live in right now.
Well you start by skinning the toes and feet, and work your way up the legs.