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Please upvote this comment if you are a liberal and this headline gave you pause and maybe a nagging "are we the baddies?" moment of reflection
And then I read the article and remembered: reality is more complicated then good-bad.
A sociopath told you that you aren't capable of having moral judgements about people dying and that you needed to listen to vetted experts instead. It's not complicated actually. I contend that pointless death is in fact a bad thing
Good to know if someone invaded your country that you would be a capitulator and collaborator in the name of an unjust peace.
I do too. That’s why I hope Ukraine is able to defend themselves against Russia bombing hospitals and torturing children. Once they’ve pushed Russia all the way back to their border, I hope that the world gives Ukraine so many weapons that Russia will never think about attacking them again.
And who or what desides if a death is pointless?
If you think there's glory in these deaths then stop cheering from the backfield and take the place of someone gang pressed off the street.
Even if I would do that I suppose you wouldn't be happier with the situation. And guess what, neither would I.
But that's what you're saying, right? These deaths are valuable just for the sake of fighting in some abstract sense? Because the bad guy is bad?
No, as I said in my first answer, there are no generally right or wrong answers. There are people dying because of some vanity project of the rich and powerful. I also hold the opinion, that those shall be prevented at all costs. But if my information on the conflict is correct and this war started as a civil war on the topic of secession, then the question get's hard to answer almost instantly, and also highly individual.
How can you both say that the war is a vanity project for the rich and powerful and the same time argue that the deaths caused by it have meaning?
Because for some people they do.
edit: In another post you mentioned the breakaway republics, there you have your examples. People who don't want to live under a certain regime or don't want to live under theirs anymore. Sometimes fighting is the only option left for people, and sometimes fighting people know they will die fighting.
It's like you have an opinion and don't all at the same time. Maybe reconsider your position.
Maybe that is what you should do.
I actually have a position.
The world is an unfathomably complex thing, even if you leave the people stuff out, and we all have lots of opinions and mostly none of the information.
I do realise that I don't have a say in the matter and neither should I. The one thing I know for certain is that optaining a truth is on a spectrum between hard and impossible.
This is a cringe that is certainly unfathomablely complex
Youre like the 80IQ backwoods Joker. No thoughts just endless monologue. Hilarious
Not upvoting as a diehard commie, just to respect the vote. Would love to see an actual poll of libs on this