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Meta won’t negotiate with publishers, will end Facebook news in Canada - ArsTechnica (arstechnica.com)
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[–] I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

.. But I posted it using kbin :)

How are they gonna invoice this one?

[–] AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They will charge the instance hosting the link. Like they where going to charge Facebook not the users.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. Stop spreading propaganda.

[–] AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well here is the law..

It makes no word of for profit / non profit, it defines the intermediary posting links as basically anything more popular than the news outlet they are linking to and gives the media outlets all sorts of power to complain and escalate if they think linking is unfair.

You can go read the law?

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-18/royal-assent

Application
6 This Act applies in respect of a digital news intermediary if, having regard to the following factors, there is a significant bargaining power imbalance between its operator and news businesses:

(a) the size of the intermediary or the operator;

(b) whether the market for the intermediary gives the operator a strategic advantage over news businesses; and

(c) whether the intermediary occupies a prominent market position.
[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Are you making money personally by posting media links on Lemmy?

No.

This is 100% about billionaire anti-democracy bad actors having control over what people see. And profiting by doing so.

It's UNBELIEVABLE how zillionaires Zuckerberg and Google have managed to convince people that their own crappy behaviors are all to blame on the Liberal Canadian government. It didn't have to be this way. Zuckerberg and Google CHOSE THIS.

[–] AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't say the bill applied to users AT ALL but does apply to the intermediary hosting the links.. IE lemmy.ca could be targeted due to the vague broad definition. If Lemmy.ca became a popular source of information news outlets could demand arbitration or try to harass lemmy.ca legally. Which even if there was nothing for them to win could be costly.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're wrong by that as well. This law hands control of news back to the people.

[–] AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Show an example from the bill please I have done so to highlight that it vaguely defines who is liable. How does this help the people by charging for listing links?

skipped over this better definision in the bill

digital news intermediary means an online communications platform, including a search engine or social media service, that is subject to the legislative authority of Parliament and that makes news content produced by news outlets available to persons in Canada. It does not include an online communications platform that is a messaging service the primary purpose of which is to allow persons to communicate with each other privately.‍ (intermédiaire de nouvelles numériques)

lemmy instances would fall under a social media service

news content means content — in any format, including an audio or audiovisual format — that reports on, investigates or explains current issues or events of public interest and includes such content that an Indigenous news outlet makes available by means of Indigenous storytelling.‍ (contenu de nouvelles)

Making available of news content
(2) For the purposes of this Act, news content is made available if

(a) the news content, or any portion of it, is reproduced; or

(b) **access to the news content, or any portion of it, is facilitated by any means, including an index, aggregation or ranking of news content.**

Links would fall under "is facilitated by any means, including an index"

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why are you defending anti-democratic multi-billionaire influence peddlers META and Google instead of people? We have to be profiting by linking news items to be in violation. We are NOT profiting here.

[–] AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who said I was? It is a bad / vague law.. I think most of the traditional news outlets are just as bad trying to milk money with clickbait and one sided stories.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is designed to stop reporting in a way that appeases an algorithm set by billionaires. It frees MSM and all news outlets to report facts only. It sets all news outlets on an even footing. This will benefit Canadian citizens and democracy.

[–] AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is designed to stop reporting in a way that appeases an algorithm set by billionaires.

The bill only outlines a mandate to revenue share nothing about fairness.

It frees MSM and all news outlets to report facts only.

Explain how....

It sets all news outlets on an even footing.

Explain how?

Traditional news outlets have been under the thumb of the tech billionaire mafia.

All the top hits for news always show up in google and are often shared online.. If the de-listing happens then ZERO of the Traditional news outlets will have any online exposure and more rapidly die the slow death they were already going through. I don't feel sorry for them and their click bait these days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_ownership_in_Canada

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmedia_Network Also NEARLY all traditional news / media outlets in canada are consolidated and owned by Bell, Rogers and Post media

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

See how this helps to break up monopolies? IT IS AWESOME

Anyway, this helps to end Zillion dollar greed corps/fascists from blocking truth. People will still be able to read news and the better news providers will thrive.

I'm done.

Oh, and #BoycottGoogle #BoycottTwitter #BoycottMeta 👍🏻