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[–] MinekPo1@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Similar thing happened across the border, in Ukraine, with a pacifist being accused of "justifying the war", as reported by Democracy Now!

[–] orizuru@lemmy.sdf.org 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Russian pacifists want Russia to stop invading Ukraine.

Lemmygrad / Hexbear pacifists want Ukraine to appease Russia and give up territory.

They are not the same.

[–] trot@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (60 children)

Russian pacifists want Russia to stop invading Ukraine.

Western "pacifists" want to send NATO tanks to Ukraine.

They are not the same.

Russian anti-war activists have a correct position.

But an important consideration should be whether one's actions actually contribute to Russia withdrawing sooner, or if they instead help justify further, equally self-interested NATO involvement in the war.

Unless you are Russian, it's most likely the latter.

There are two imperialist blocs involved in the conflict, and it doesn't matter which one of them technically started it.

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[–] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (58 children)

No, we want Ukraine to stop trying to ethnically cleanse the Donbas and give the people there self determination. And we want the Ukrainian government to stop forcibly conscripting people to go die needlessly on the front in a clearly losing war. We want NATO to stop enabling all of that (it literally wouldn't be happening if they weren't demanding that it continue). That's what it is to be a peace activist. And I'm fairly sure I can speak for all of us, we are not pacifists, lol. But we are advocates for peace and the end to the horrible and needless loss of life.

Nice try to completely twist reality, and completely misrepresent us, as you war mongering dronies always do.

Edit: We actually give a shit about all the Ukrainian people being thrown into a fucking meat grinder. We care about their lives. The people who just say "more weapons to Ukraine!" do not give a shit about the lives of the people there. They're happy to just let the war keep dragging on until the last capable Ukrainian is dead. An example of how WE feel about the tragedy of the situation: https://hexbear.net/post/503747 (hexbear link to a lemmygrad news post)

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[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

Adding "jailing pacifists for speaking out" to the things dronies openly support, along with forcing others to fight when they're not willing to, poisoning civilians with generations of birth defects, and giving cluster bombs to Nazis.

The moral high ground, ladies and gents amerikkka-clap

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Whataboutism and false equivalency. Nice.

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