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The alternative is to stop using people of Ukraine to fight a proxy war with Russia.
Then why don't you ask Russia to withdraw, wouldn't that be easier?
Russia is obviously not going to withdraw, and you or me asking Russia to withdraw isn't going to make it happen. However, people living in western countries do have at least some influence on their own regimes. Of course, the reason western regimes can keep the proxy war going is precisely because a lot of scumbags are cheering it on right now.
People of Donbas whom the Ukrainian regime was abusing for the past eight years asked Russia for help to defend their lives and home. The atrocities the Ukrainian regime was committing were even covered by CNN in 2014 https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296
Meanwhile, the west is not helping Ukraine, it's prolonging the war which results in more people dying without changing the outcome. This war could've been over last March when Russia and Ukraine almost signed a deal, but UK and US decided to torpedo it. If that's your idea of helping Ukraine then you need to get your head checked.
Remind me what started the civil war again?
That's an interesting way to say there was a western backed right wing coup that overthrew a democratically elected government.
https://archive.ph/BAxYc
The people of Ukraine seem to have a somewhat different view on the matter
That's a really convenient narrative based on the fallacy of homogenizing Ukraine. Let's take a look at a few slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 to get a bit of background on the subject. Mearsheimer is certainly not pro Russian in any sense, and a proponent of US global hegemony. First, here's the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:
here's how the election in 2004 went:
this is the 2010 election:
As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:
Maybe learn a bit about the subject first.
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I wonder if anything of note happened between then and now, in other news Donald Trump is still president and gay marriage is illegal in the US
I suggest you go to Kyiv in the grocery store and explain this to the workers there
Oh yeah, things of note definitely happened since then
I suggest you go to Donbas and explain the above to people there that the regime you support has been maiming for the past decade.
you can take the Redditor out of reddit but ... speaking of which, are you updooting your own replies?
Ah look at you resorting to personal attacks like the clown you are. Also, given that you've been here for 3 months we both know who the redditor here is.
stop talking like a jojo villain
cry ab it
What I see is a very deliberate attempt of russia to try to breed out an ethnicity in an attempt to create a reason to take more land. Which is exactly what happened- maybe learn about the subject first.
Lol the people of ukraine are fighting against a war of aggression from Russia. That's it.