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The Design is Very Human (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by dewritochan@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world

having a moment here in gnome

to everyone pointing out that this is for touchpads;

a: it's awful on that too

b: note the mouse in the example given

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[-] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

i dont get it. what's "natural scrolling"?

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The wrong way. Scrolling moves the content instead of moving the "camera".

Touch screens move the content. Mouse wheels have always moved the observer/camera. They're pushing the touch scrolling style to mouse wheels too.

[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It's honestly strange we haven't agreed on a better naming convention like "touch screen scrolling" and "desktop scrolling" to indicate their intended uses

[-] 46_and_2@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks for explaining, because based on the displayed pucture and the direction arrows in the content window you would think it's the other way - scrolling mouse wheel up to move content up.

Confusing way too display it, but I guess whoever is in that settings window knows what they're on at the moment and that it would invert it.

[-] ytg@feddit.ch -4 points 1 year ago

"They're pushing"? Who's "they"? As far as I could see, it's an unchecked option.
In any case, what's the historical reason for mouse wheels actually working like they do?

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's the default in many recent systems despite historically not being so. It's a bad name for hinting the natural is the most common option or that the alternative is any more unnatural when it's just a matter of perspective. It's also not a descriptive enough name to be easily understood.

About the historical reason, my guess is that the mouse has always been the pointing device. Following this reasoning, when you scroll "down" you're indicating you want to expand the bottom of the screen. Auto scroll when present also uses this observer perspective over the content's ("natural") one.

[-] Liquid_Fire@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Apple, for one, because not only do they default to this but there's no option to change it separately for the mouse wheel vs touch pad without third party software.

[-] Confetti_Camouflage@pawb.social 8 points 1 year ago

"Natural scrolling" just reverses the scroll direction. Pushing the mouse wheel up will scroll the content down. It's called "natural" because it's similar to the way you drag content around on touch screens.

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