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[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you agree with fascist mercenaries? Cool to know.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I also think cake tastes good which aligns me straight with Hitler.

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Okay but people shouldn't take you seriously on cake if your argument is "Hitler agrees with my take on cake"

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How about me agreeing with Hitler on "Poland didn't attack Germany"?

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes. You're getting close.

Now if Hitler, or one of his generals, said that the Poles didn't attack after all, what would you think of that? Might you take it as an admission that the Nazis had lied?

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point.

I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality.

Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals".

Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit.

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, it's fucked up.

Also, thanks for engaging in good faith.

[–] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well in this case it's more like even Hitler said "the jews weren't so bad at all"

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wouldn't it more be equivalent to Henry Ford or Hearst press during ww2 claiming that the nazis weren't brutalizing black and Jewish soldiers?

Nazi public figure claims nazis in enemy country aren't doing bad thing.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You didn’t need to cite hitler as the cake lover, could have picked anyone else

You didn’t have to pick the fascist mercenary army leader to agree with you on the other one, either. Yet you did for some reason

Is this supposed to prove anything but you have no scruples?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean hexbears are otherwise so willing to take Russian sources at face value, e.g. when it comes to claims about Russian speakers getting supposedly oppressed and genocided by the Ukrainian state... then why not trust Pregozhin? What makes him less trustworthy than Solovyov?

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

I can’t speak for everyone, but I definitely don’t find Russian media particularly trustworthy, we like to do a little thing called critical thinking instead of just blindly accepting things

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Russian media is untrustworthy and I've yet to meet a hexbear user that says otherwise. We just also recognize American media to be untruswot. Good thing we're able to critique our sources and think critically