In early August, deputies of the Ukraine president's 'Servant of the People' party in the national legislature ('Rada') introduced a bill that provides for the conscription of forced labor of all those who have not been conscripted to the armed forces. Formally free citizens who already cannot legally leave the country due to wartime restrictions will now also be subjected to forced labor.

This was really inevitable, yeah.

[–] Durotar@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I don't think that you fully understand what's happening. This is not Call of Duty. Leave any internal political issues until the end of the war. Right now, you're helping Russia.

[–] Sasuke@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Leave any internal political issues until the end of the war

and how do you imagine they'll do that exactly? how are they even to begin resolving their political issues when all leftwing parties have been banned, unions are severely restricted, and strikes and protests have been made illegal? even if the allow for free elections again, any post-war government will have to act adhere to the neoliberal repayment programs of the IMF and other foreign actors, meaning further wage cuts, more austerity, more privatization

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Good points, but what's the alternative? At least Ukraine has a chance to even have internal politics after the war.

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[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago (10 children)

So are we just supposed to allow (heck, even support!) Ukraine despite them implementing a system of modern slavery for their people, blocking civilians from fleeing, and forced conscription, some of it even slated to last even beyond the end of the war, because to even criticise it is "helping Russia"? Helping Russia do what, exactly? Look better than Ukraine? That's on Ukraine to be the big boy.

This is not Call of Duty, a war is waged for political reasons, and therefore the politics of it should be laid bare.

[–] Durotar@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are not implementing a system of modern slavery, they're protecting their country and fighting for their lives.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm quoting again:

The new draft law on the mobilization of workers is intended to "ensure the functioning of the national economy under martial law", in the words of those drafting the law. It is noteworthy that in early August, Ukraine began to talk about a likely ban against military conscripts leaving the country for three years following an eventual end to military hostilities and martial law. Just such a proposal was recently made by Vadym Denysenko [...], head of the Ukrainian Institute for the Future and a former advisor to the head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs. Denysenko said, "I am sure that even after the war it will be necessary to extend the ban on men traveling abroad for at least another three years. Otherwise, we simply will not survive as a nation."

Please illuminate me in your wisdom, how banning people from leaving while conscripting them to either fight in the front or forced labour is not a form slavery. Whose lives are being saved by arresting people trying to flee the country?

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't you get it? People come and go, they live and die but what lasts is lines on maps. The lines on the map are the only thing that matters. If Russia moves the line on the map into Ukraine to cover people that want to live in Russia whats to stop them from moving other lines into other nations where people who speak Russian feel persecuted by their government and nazis?

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People over here sound so much like CK2 players that I get flashbacks to the thrashfire Pagan Fury dlc soundtrack. "You don't understand, they're fighting a genocide! Which is why we must conscript and self-genocide the entirety of Ukraine to prevent the separatist half of Ukraine from being genocided by their allies!"

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[–] blakeus12@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jesus, you sound psychotic. borderline nationalist. people being forced into slavery for the sake of their countey? for the sake of the donbas? really? would you be a slave for lines on a map?

like, seriously. jews in the Holocaust did hard labor for Germany's lines on the map. is that justified? to save germany from the allies? what is wrong with you?

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're correct but you might wanna check your sarcasm detector lol

[–] blakeus12@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

holy hell, thank god that was satire. when i saw this post i was just staring open mouthed at my monitor, stunned at how insensitive someone could be. lmao, im pretty dumb for that

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[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

oh my god you're one of those idiots

[–] The_Walkening@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

This war is a result of Ukraine's internal political issues, namely it's insistence on claims to territories that don't want to be a part of Ukraine.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ha, a throwback to my childhood.

"If we don't send thoughtlessy load more people and munitions into the meat grinder right this minute, then the terrorists win!"

[–] Durotar@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ukraine has never asked to send people. You have no idea what's happening and why, do you?

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lol we've have a news megathread every day since the SMO started full of military, economic, historical and sociological analysis regarding every new develpoment in the region. You should stop in sometime, you might learn something.

Like how the US and it's vassals are shoving Ukranians into the meat grinder by torpedoing every round of negotiations while buying up Ukranian land and assets at rock bottom prices. But hey, I don't expect you forced conscription and cluster bomb enthusiasts to be well-versed in any situation when it's so much easier to just vibe out and cheer for Our Team.

[–] Dum@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago

He WANTS to help Russia... Don't feed the troll.

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