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[–] oce@jlai.lu 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He is/was despicable as the leader of mercenaries ready to sell their services to any authoritarian regime, but I don't see clear relationship with Nazism, do you have sources? It seems weird to me that a Nazi would accept to work for African juntas for example.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I find it weird that the former liberal consensus was that Wagner was effectively a Nazi PMC group but now I guess it isn't?

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that consensus evaporated as soon as he staged his coup, all the libs lined up behind him immediately

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

When this is your internal narrative morshupls

[–] oce@jlai.lu 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you think I follow the ideology a specific movement, I'm afraid to tell you I don't. So I'm not sure what the former liberal consensus was. The Wikipedia article (generally consensual, I guess) does mention that a sub-group in particular is: the Rusich unit. It seems ironic that Putin pretends to fight Nazism by using Nazis, unless the goal is that they self-destruction, but I guess that's a fantasy.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

Putin never said he sought to annihilate Nazism in general, at least not that I know of. He said that among his goals is to denazify Ukraine, which I believe is true simply because the Ukrainian Nazis are his most hardliners opponents there. He does also crack down on Russian fascists when they become inconvenient to him (like darling of the west Navalny), but I don't think he ever claimed to be an antifascist.

[–] eatmyass@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

copied from above

Dmitry Utkin (who was also on the plane) is definitely a nazi, and Wagner has a lot of links to far-right elements in Russia. Wagner itself is supposed to reference Richard Wagner, Hitler's favorite composer

so Prigozhin is definitely in bed with nazis but idk anything about his actual beliefs