nah I'm just not going to read a novel to respond to you. I'm giving other people I disagree with reasonable replies. Your reply is unreasonable engage with though. Feel free to try again though with a more reasonable response.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't even post that. Very reasonable of you to not pay attention to basic details like who you're responding to.

Almost as if you're simply putting on a facade of open-mindedness to cover for he fact that you will not engage with any ideas more complex than "Russia bad, NATO good".

[–] figaro@lemdro.id -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Ah, sorry, you are right about getting the person wrong. The way lemmy is laid out on the app I'm using doesn't show the post before you, so I just assumed you were the same person.

In any case, that doesn't change what I said. I'm not going to read a novel then dissect it piece by piece when the premise of the entire post is "going to war and forcefully occupying a neighboring country can be justified."

I'm not saying all of Russia is bad, by the way. I admire Russia for a lot of reasons. The decision to invade their neighbor, however, cannot be justified, in the same way that the vast majority of the United States' wars cannot be justified.

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

that post was maybe 1500 words to summarize 100+ years of regional conflict with special attention on the last 10 years written in plain language. no special jargon or references to theoretical concepts. if that's a "novel" for you, it definitely explains your grasp of this situation and affirms the critique that you are willfully ignorant and incapable of analysis beyond "russia bad." and this is why people make fun of libs like you. many libs smugly dismiss conservatives as having "simple/childlike" worldviews and value systems. then they promptly adopt their own perfectly mirrored positions and petulantly stick their fingers in their ears like you're doing here.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

By the time you took to read the other posts and wrote the replies saying "not gonna read that" you could easily just read that.

[–] figaro@lemdro.id -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I read it. Same answer I've been giving the whole time still applies. Nothing justifies an invasion and the murder of thousands of civilians. The majority of the Ukrainian people support continuing to defend their homes, including in the eastern regions. It is up to them to decide what they want to do. If they want to concede, they will do that. It's pretty simple.

Anyway, I'm done responding now. Good luck with your lives.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ukrainians were couped every decade to make them hate Russians. 1991, 2004, 2014, and note how Zelensky was elected as a peace candidate, to stop the civil war. Instead there was a military buildup to invasion and multiple ceasefire breaches. In the meantime between those coups, Ukrainians seemed to gravitate towards at least neutrality and peace. Ukrainians will have been repeatedly violated by USA and now they are dying for Uncle Sam imperial interest while their country is being peacemeal sold for the peanuts and the war fervor as in every war ever fry their brains.

[–] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I read it.

X (this is me doubting BTW)

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

In any case, that doesn't change what I said. I'm not going to read a novel then dissect it piece by piece when the premise of the entire post is "going to war and forcefully occupying a neighboring country can be justified."

US Civil War, WWII.

[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Here's my response. I think it's reasonable enough.

spoiler

:PIGPOOPBALLS:

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's like one page. You asked for an explanation of what's going on. Take it or leave it. Sorry it's not formatted very well I had to type it on the fly at like 3am.

[–] figaro@lemdro.id -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Guys you can't justify a war with hundreds of thousands of deaths where one side is sending missiles at civilian buildings on the daily, it's just not going to happen.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Doesn't stop you libs from trying, free the Donbas

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

it's more complicated than that and you would understand why we think so if you bothered to read the explanation

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Technically it's artillery, but I thought we weren't talking about the civil war in Donbas?

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

I didin't justify anything. I just told you what happened.