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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nah I lived in a mountain town with a Mazda 3 for ten years. Either you have some serious off roading going on and need an actual off roading vehicle or you just never learned to properly drive in the snow. In ten years I can count on my hand the number of times I didn't make it up a grade. And that was because of ice, which an SUV wouldn't help. Furthermore there are several off road capable cars available. SUVs are not off road vehicles by nature.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

SUVs are not off road vehicles by nature.

They were supposed to be! The shit that's happened to them over the last few decades because of all the non-off-roading folks who are too insecure to drive a minivan is a damn travesty. SUVs should be much more niche vehicles than they are, and the ones that aren't capable off-road don't deserve to exist.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It was all marketing. It always was. They made more money selling pickups and evading CAFE standards. So how do they convince people to buy more pickups? Slap a shell on it. Then pay Hollywood to slander minivans and wagons. When wagons become moderately popular again in the 2000's you just drop the chassis lower and sell the SUV as a wagon. (Looking at you Ford and Dodge)

The SUV production line is the car companies' swiss army knife. They can get 3 out of 4 form factors out of it. That's all it ever was. And the entire off roading community is sitting on the biggest secret that the biggest weapons aren't super special. AWD, a low gear, a moderate lift, and a manual transmission are enough to go most places. Once AWD was commonly available car companies needed something else to sell as off-roading. But the most common utility vehicle in poor infrastructure areas is still the Toyota series 70 after 30 years. But even Toyota doesn't want to sell that in the US, because they can make a higher profit on larger vehicles.

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Then you're very much the exception.