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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Biden doubled Trump's deportation numbers and gave record breaking funding to corrupt police departments all over the country, also striped one of the largest unions in the country of its right to strike, something Republicans haven't managed to do since the Traffic Controller firings in the 80s

Yeah keep telling me about the "bad guys" wonder-who-thats-for

https://mronline.org/2022/01/21/the-700000-club/

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/20/biden-haiti-deportations-texas-del-rio/

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-17/biden-administration-appeals-judge-order-to-stop-expelling-migrants-under-public-health-law

So easy to find these sources, but as you can see below me, libs don't know how to read basic statistics

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Biden doubled Trump’s deportation numbers

2021 was the lowest deportation year on record (owing to COVID). 2022 was the second lowest deportation year in modern record.

Biden moved to prioritize ICE focusing on criminal immigrants, and the Texas Republicans blocked that behavior in the courts, a block that only failed in June of 2023 when SCOTUS gave the only reasonable result (a phrase I can't say very often anymore).

So 2 years of record low deportations and 1 year of his hands tied in the courts (of which I can't find numbers anyway). How exactly is he "doubling" Trump's deportation numbers?

What you MIGHT have misunderstood is that the number of border crossings have gone up dramatically under Biden, likely because he's against the draconian and horrific policies of his predecessor. More border crossings than ever. Fewer deportations than ever. Whatever your opinion is of that, your claim was wrong.

And I'm pretty sure it would be turn into a shitfest if I tried to discuss the rest of the issues because I know you see them with Marx colored glasses. But you're making some factually incorrect statements and it can't be more clear than the deportation numbers. And more refs.

https://www.axios.com/2022/03/11/ice-arrest-deportation-number-biden-immigration

https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-administration-has-reduced-deportations-more-trump-administration-not-much-0 (I love the "not by much" when they show a graph depicting an 80% drop! I love propaganda mags)

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Try again, you’re simply counting arrests and deportations, I'm talking about Title 42 which was also Trump's primary deportation method

“Given the grave harm that the Title 42 policy inflicts on desperate, asylum-seeking families, and the public health community’s view that the policy is not necessary, we would have hoped the administration would simply accept the ruling, especially given its repeated claim that it wants to distance itself from the Trump administration’s asylum practices,” said Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s immigrant rights project.

Customs and Border Protection said 25% of the 209,000 people it encountered in August had been stopped at least once over the previous year, compared with 14% in earlier years.

Hmmm funny how numbers change when you account for all avenues of abuse

What you MIGHT have misunderstood is that the number of border crossings have gone up dramatically under Biden, likely because he's against the draconian and horrific policies of his predecessor. More border crossings than ever. Fewer deportations than ever. Whatever your opinion is of that, your claim was wrong.

Nope incorrect

The “expedited removal” process is one where asylum seekers are quickly denied entry based on a brief interview process with Border Patrol officers who have the final say on whether a migrant has a “credible fear” of returning to their countries of origin. With “expedited removal,” migrants are deported without a hearing or appearance before a judge–in effect, without due process.

During his four-year term, Trump used Title 42 to remove 500,000 asylum seekers. In under a year, Biden has deported almost 700,000 migrants.

That was a year and half ago, and before the Biden admin intensified the deportations of Haitians especially

the weekend show U.S. Border Patrol agents on horseback violently grabbing Haitian migrants attempting to join the Del Rio encampment. This, the Biden administration claims, is in the name of safety: The mass deportations have been authorized under the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Title 42, which enables expedited deportations in the name of public health during the Covid-19 pandemic. Under Trump, nearly half a million people were removed under the law; the Biden administration has already used it to deport nearly 700,000.

Its use against migrants at the southern border sends a clear and vile message as to whom the U.S. deems to be the public, deserving of health and safety. Under Title 42 — in the name of safety, that is — those being rounded up and flown to Haiti were given no option to apply for asylum or temporary protection status.

It is worth emphasizing, too, that the majority of deportees have not lived in Haiti for many years, having left to find work in South America after a catastrophic hurricane devastated their home country in 2010. Struggling to find enough work to survive in South America, thousands risked perilous journeys to the U.S. border, only to be summarily removed — to Haiti.

Next time before you put on the lib tinted glasses, don't just look for sources that only count ONE method of deportation and immigrant abuse, count them all, also you used Cato.org, straight up a right wing source lmao

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also because the Biden admin could no longer sustain the use of Title 42 because of the lifting of the final covid restrictions, they now are reviving an older and even worse Trump policy for the border

The Biden administration is now turning away anyone seeking asylum who didn’t first seek protection in a country they traveled through, or first applied online. This is a version of a Trump administration policy that was overturned by the courts. Advocacy groups sued to block the new rule minutes before it took effect.

The lawsuit, filed in federal court in San Francisco by the Center for Gender & Refugee Studies and other groups, alleges the Biden administration “doubled down” on the policy proposed by Trump that the same court rejected. The Biden administration has said its new rule is substantially different.

And predictably, deportations have ramped up since Title 42 lifted back in May

According to the Department of Homeland Security, about 85,000 migrants have been “repatriated” since Title 42 was lifted. That’s up 65% since the same period last year, which saw 51,246. During the same period the previous year, there were 33,087 repatriations, according to it.

That's just three months

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And I'm pretty sure it would be turn into a shitfest if I tried to discuss the rest of the issues because I know you see them with Marx colored glasses.

Honestly this bit makes me extremally curious what your response to the other two issues are. Do you think they're both good things? I just want to know what I'm dealing with here.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He didn't even know about Title 42 and its use by the biden admin to deport twice as many people as Trump, I doubt he has informed opinions on police funding and strike breaking lmao

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

And this circlejerk is why I block hexbear on the apps I have that allow me to. There is no point in continuing conversation at this point. I'm less than human to you and yours.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

???? You literally didn't know what Title 42 was, and you were spreading poorly researched misinformation about an important issue, also "less than human to you" ??? bro we're debating on an Internet forum chill out

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm less than human to you and yours.

Dude, you're commenting on a thread about the liberal tendency to write off communist human beings as literal robots, the irony of you being so bad at taking corrections that you immediately jumping weepily onto the cross and play the victim just to avoid having to type out "damn, I didnt know that" is powerful and embarassing.

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Dude, I was commenting on specific fabrications someone was spreading, and out came all the responders to tell me how ignorant I am because I disagree with them. I'm not a liberal who writes off communists. Neither "a liberal" nor "write off communist".

Do you believe it is possible for a person to be a communist and also spread something that is not 100% honest truth? Do you all take the Three Oaths?

Sorry, but no. Nice comic, if only it were accurate. You drew yourself with a chad face, so I lose.

Look, nothing personal, but you can still treat someone like shit just because other people treat you like shit.

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Truly providing sources is the most violent thing one can do to a liberal

[–] flan@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

The critical mistake was using "unbiased" sources like the LA times. Shoulda stuck with the original source material stalindidnothingwrong.cn

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Dude, I was commenting on specific fabrications someone was spreading

Like someone else said, it's incredible, you got proven wrong to your face, in public, and didn't even blink. Just erased the interaction from your memory to preserve what is evidently a load-bearing smugness on your part. You're like a terminator tbh, if you simply acquired a more factual worldview to argue from you'd be a posting juggernaut.

Look, nothing personal

Oh my bad nevermind. Great bit, carry onstalin-approval

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Like someone else said, it’s incredible, you got proven wrong to your face, in public, and didn’t even blink

By bringing up something that isn't deportation? Ya'll are willing to lie together. But as someone else JUST reminded me, you don't care about my vote. We socdems are going up against the wall with everyone else.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Ahh. Right. Of course. Retreating in to semantics. It's only deportation when you're literally removed from a commercial port facility.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We socdems are going up against the wall with everyone else.

Its so fucking funny that you'll concoct a whole politically illiterate persecution fantasy just to avoid having to admit you didn't know what Title 42 is. Do you also fake your death to get out of doing the dishes? You're the second lib to do this in as many days, you guys can stop being scared any time, I'm not gonna send the Stasi.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

No, I assure you incredible confidence in your own unfounded beliefs and complete ignorance of the depths of your ignorance is extremely human, as is retreating in to cliches and retrenching when you're confronted with evidence that contradicts your ideological beliefs.

[–] Flaps@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Buddy you were proven wrong on various points and now you're pissing and shidding your pants saying we don't treat you as human?

[–] ebenixo@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You should block all instances where your bullshit is called out and you have nothing left you can parrot back at them

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

That's funny. I hear people lying and want to avoid turning this into reddit 2.0, and you think this is about people calling out my bullshit.

You know what happens if you call out a lie and 100 zealots claim it's "bullshit"? You still have a fucking lie. Apparently, if I don't think every single American is literally as bad as Trump, I'm a fucking moron.

Well, working on "having nothing left" by blocking you.

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure why I'm stupid enough to reply.

WRT police, the budgeting is not unprecedented. I, too, support defunding police, but as far as all the metrics I've seen, nothing about Biden's budget effect on police funding is out of the ordinary.

WRT the Union stuff, it's complicated. He used a law meant to protect the country for the way it was indended, and empowered 8 of 12 unions to sign a deal they agreed to. There has never been any evidence of overt or covert threat of actually arresting members of the other 4 unions if they did strike. You might disagree with that, but it was a bold faced lie to say he "(sic) striped one of the largest unions in the country of its right to strike, something Republicans haven’t managed to do since the Traffic Controller firings in the 80s"

You get to decide whether someone on your side lying is better or worse than someone who is merely far-left non-communist calling bullshit what it is. There is exactly one way to guarantee never having my vote, and it's lying.

[–] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is exactly one way to guarantee never having my vote, and it's lying.

Do you...do you actually think we intend to vote communism in?

[–] trudge@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They still don't know how communists gain control after all these years che-laugh lenin-laugh landlord-sus sankara-shining

[–] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

It's not like we're even remotely subtle here about this fact, we literally glorify the revolutionaries daily, and constantly spit on the idea of electoralism

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Then why all the lies and standing by them?

But no. I've been reminded hundreds of times that you intend to bring communism by putting guns to the heads of the majority of your fellow proles like myself who don't want what you do. I know I'm going up against the wall, along with over 90% of my country, if you ever win.

But that's why I know you won't win. You can't execute 400M people, and you can't turn their hearts by threatening to.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Communism is when you shoot 90% of the country and the more 90% you shoot the more communism it is.

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With all due respect, I was replying to someone who made perfectly clear that the will of the majority (vote) was meaningless to them. How exactly do you intend to seize control from 90% of a country who wants something different if not at gunpoint?

Don't worry about responding. I blocked you too. I'm mid-migration towards servers that defederated the /c/thedonaldmarx communities, so blocking individual people is all I have right now.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

What a tantrum, asking someone a question then insulting and blocking them so they can't answer it and you get to have the last word.

You know that if you just ask us to disengage without a little snipe thrown in, we will? It's literally part of our instance rules.

Instead you post this childish nonsense.

[–] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

you severely misunderstand who we intend to shoot.