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Like just little things.
Do you know that the Russian Black Sea Fleet is based in Sevastopol? Did you know that it's an incredibly important strategic asset? What do nation states do when an incredibly important strategic asset is threatened? Do they defend it?
Did you know Crimea has a 30 year long history of seeking more autonomy, or even independence, from Ukraine?
Do you know what the very first action of the coup Rada was?
Do you know what "encirclement" means?
I know Plato's Allegory of the Cave gets used a lot when discussion the hegemonic power of western propaganda over western people, but come on bruv.
Do the words "Minsk II" mean anything to you?
Are you aware of the tariff agreements in place between Russia and Ukraine in 2013?
Do you know who Bandera was?
Do you know what the Russian Federation's stated causus belli for the invasion is?
What do you know?
I don't have the time for the classic tankie "reply with a wall of text and deflections", I actually have a real job to attend to. But some main points.
Do you also know that Russia took Sevastopol from Ukraine back in 2014?
Tell me, do you also support Israel's claims on Palestinian territory?
Yes.
Do you know what the causis belli for the US's invasion of Iraq was? Are you stupid enough to believe that one as well? Or does believing causus belli only applies to whatever country is not an ally of the US?
I know you should get a gold medal on mental gymnastics and double standards.
What you call "reply with a wall of text and deflections" is 90% of the time well informed and sourced discourse, you just dismiss it cause you can't argue with it.
It's crazy how quick they turn into Westworld robots, you can show them the most airtight, well-sourced case to counter their empty vibes-based conjecture and they'll just go "That doesn't look like anything."
jokey one-liners: you have no arguments
well-reasoned point: I'm not reading all that, I have a job
nonfalsofiable orthodoxy intensifies
This is literally a deflection to avoid dealing with the (inconvenient) basic facts you should've learned before having any opinion on this topic in the first place.
Yes? Because the Black Sea Fleet is station in Sevastopol and Sevastopol is a vital strategic resource? Are we speaking the same language?
Non-sequitor?
... Okay so you know that UA was shelling Donbass and killing people for years, and the Rada was very openly hostile to the Russian speaking Ukrainian minority, right?
Could I get a sticker instead?
Also that's not a wall of text you dork it's like 10 sentences.
So if the US has a fleet statinoned in another contry's territory, should they just be allowed to take it?
What don't you follow?
Do you also support US-backed countries to take territory as they see fit? Or does that only apply to countries you like?
A Russian-backed separatist group starts a conflict and Ukraine responds.
Does Ukraine not have the right to defend their territory?
You can get some crayons to munch on.
Do eastern ukrainians have a right not to be ethnically cleansed?
Do eastern Ukrainians have a right to defend their own territory and invite guests to help?
You're a very foolish person.
Did the American-backed separatist group count in your brain too or the us backed razing of the USSR
Shit, if all you have to do is park a fleet at a region and it's yours, I have been playing paradox games wrong this entire time
I'll make it easier for you
Can't be that important if you've got all this time lose arguments on the internet
And here I thought that the classic tankie reply was low-effort trolling and shitposting.
To the degree the Palestinians have used their self determination to say they want to be Israel and not Palestine
You're really bad at analogies. You shouldn't lean on them to avoid direct investigation.
You know you’re dealing with a pro-NATO bot when they say stupid boomer jokes like “well I have a job to go to”
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This whole "unlike you tAnKiEs I have a job" thing just makes you look insecure and childish.
You know that, right?
It really is the strangest appeal to authority I've ever seen.
My ex father in law would always harp that he was more intelligent than my mom (he wasn't) cus he had more jobs than her
Eli5 that Pluto shit I toned out the Cave hard when I took a philosophy class
I found this funny and topical example.
Basically some dudes are tied up in a cave so they can only look forward. Behind them some other dude's are making shadow puppets. The tied up dudes think the shadow puppets are the real world because they can't look anywhere else and don't think there is anything else. But then there's something about if you're skeptical you can escape the cave and see the real world outside.
The second part is important too: when someone escapes the cave and sees the outside world for the first time, it's painful because things are so bright. After a while, the escapee's eyes adjust, and they come to see how much better and more real the outside world is. They decide to go back and free their friends in the cave. But when they descend back down, their friends make fun of them because they can't see very well in the dark anymore and so aren't very good at talking about the shadows. Their friends think that they are just making up a big story about some magical "outside world" to cover for how bad they've gotten at talking about the shadows.