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The original was posted on /r/permaculture by /u/LancFF on 2024-11-26 17:00:42+00:00.


I just started pulling my first harvest of sunchokes out this week. Holy crap is this plant productive! (Check it out if you want: ) Why is this not more mainstream? Is it really just because it can sometimes cause excess gas? So far I've had it roasted, tossed in stir fry, and used as a sauce for pasta. Any other recommendations for how to cook it? Has anyone tried doing mashed "potatoes"?

Lastly, I'm thinking about what else to plant in the bed as a guild. I'm thinking including some other easy spreaders since this bed is protected from plants spreading (surrounded by concrete and the house). Apple mint is currently in the bed. I'm thinking also maybe ground nuts? Would that get hard harvesting two root crops mixed together? Would be nice to have a nit fixer tho. Any other thoughts? Maybe a dwarf fruit tree or bush in center of bed? But I'm thinking that tree may get upset if I start digging up the whole beds hunting for roots each fall.

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Hi, recently got into this subject after watching one too many PlanetWild, JustDiggIt, Andrew Millison, Leaf of Life Etc. videos but it had me seriously considering the following idea:

Why not buy dirt cheap (relatively, <$5k per acre) desert land out in SoCal/Mojave desert somewhat close to civilization that is on a gentle gradient, not too far down the watershed to prevent flash floods, and then restore the land to productivity? Using bunds, swales, and seeds. It seems land prices are less afflicted by being remote and moreso their lack of water/vegetation.

I would imagine that if it was this easy, some would have already done it, but it seems all of these land restoration projects are done in areas that are outside of the US. I can imagine if this goes right then in the future, investment companies and funds would be buying up unproductive land and valleys to turn them into income producers or selling the land? So why not do it myself now?

Like it seems too simple to be true? Any hill billy with a tractor and a modified farming plow could do hundreds of acres per day and turn nearly the desert entire green.

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Cross posted with Organic Gardening:

I'm devastated to receive the results of my soil test and learn that I have high levels of lead and copper. I'm in the Paris suburbs, it's not terribly surprising, but my garden plans are crashing and burning. Anyone have resources on how to get rid of the lead and copper? I know some plants extract them, and I know that some amendments can help, but I'm not sure if there's any real hope in ever having a garden here.

I was planning to have a mini permaculture garden... now what?

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I recently sold my house on 1.5 acres and bought one in a suburb of 1/4 acre. Before I did so, I had 3 air prune beds set up last year to try propagating a lot more trees. Some I can still use, but there's no way I'm planting all of these in my backyard unfortunately. Some I could bring up to my grandparents farmland but it would be tough for me to plant and keep protected from animals/mowing to start since I don't live there.

So I wanted to see if anyone would like the trees so they don't go to waste, maybe just pay for shipping? They're not super high quality, basically all year-old seedlings about 8-12" tall. My only other thought is maybe a local arbor foundation/conservation group may take them.

• 35 black walnut • 5 or so heartnuts • 7 Manchurian apricot seedlings • 4 honey locust

Edit: I think I'm out of heartnut, apricots, and honey locust based on the replies I've gotten, still black walnut left

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The original was posted on /r/permaculture by /u/cologetmomo on 2024-11-26 06:09:55+00:00.

Original Title: Can you feed a family of 4 on an area the size of a parking space? No, but there's a group on Reddit and social media that would love to sell you a book about it! I reviewed their claim and figured you all might enjoy it and at the very least, stay protected from these kinds of scams.


The Integrated AquaVegeculture System (IAVS, sandponics) is an aquaponics system that uses sand as the growing medium and biological filter. Advertisers have made claims that yields from this system could feed a family of 4, year round, on a plot of land the size of an automobile parking spaceA.

1988 article

The noteworthy proclamation details that a parking space-sized IAVS system can produce 200 kg of fish and 1,400 kg of vegetables per year. The only caveat being year-round production in a ‘temperate’ climate or controlled environment. The fish weight is further clarified as being the live weight of the fish.

Official shop using claims as advertising.

The claims have been further amplified on social media platforms:

Social media post of research continuing 35 years after the 1988 article.

Note: The parking lot model (PLM) appears entirely conceptual. At no point is there an actual facility matching these dimensions linked or referenced, only that these figures are based on research conducted by Mark McMurtry, a graduate student at North Carolina State University in the 1980s.

The article cites that fish are harvested at 250 grams. To continuously feed a family, the system would be operated with sequential rearingB, where multiple sizes of fish are kept in the same tank and selectively harvested as needed. However, to evaluate the claim of no aeration, we can start simply with calculating a stocking density. If the tank were harvested all at once, we can assume 3 harvests per year based on the harvest weight. A total harvest of 200 kg per year yields, on average, 67 kg (150 lbs) live weight of tilapia. The article states a total tank volume of 3 m3 (about 800 gallons). The final stocking density is about 0.19 lb/gal. It is plausible juvenile fish at an extensive stocking density can forgo supplemental aeration between the flood and drain cycles the article illustrates.

However, 200 kg per year of live fish weight equates to only about 8.5 lb of fish per week. Further compounding this small harvest is that it’s referring to the live weight of fish. A tilapia may only contain 30 to 40% fillet yield or dress-out weight, meaning that family of four may have as little as 2.5 pounds per week, or 0.63 lbs per person per week.

Vegetable production is estimated at 1,400 kg per year on an area of approximately 19.5 m2 (200 ft2). However, that assumes the entire area is devoted to crops, ignoring the aisles require to access the system, as detailed below.

Diagram illustrates a total growing area of 19.5 square meters. With no indication the area lost to the access aisles is considered.

If the two access aisles measure only 0.4 m (about 1.5 ft), the total growing area is reduced to 14.7 m2 (150 ft2). This figure is an order of magnitude too small for even a single individual who, depending on crop variety, will need 1,000 to 2,000 square feetC. Therefore, a family of four could require as much as 8,000 square feet to sustain themselves.

The document itself, if written in 1988, represents one of the first instances of the term “Integrated AquaVegeculture System.” The document also illustrates the first instance where a profit motive emerges.

Dr. Mark R. McMurtry, is essential for start-up and propagation of new installations. We can envision a number of arrangements under which Dr. McMurtry’s services could be made available to first-time operators.

Additionally, if written in 1988, the document followed the very first experiments conducted by Mark McMurtry at North Carolina State University, prior to any large-scale system and on the heels of his graduate research, which was limited in scale, as discussed here. Additionally, this was written 4 years before the largest system to have ever been constructed in the United States, the Mora System, as discussed here.

The ‘parking lot model’ of the Integrated AquaVegeculture System (IAVS, sandponics) continues to serve as dishonest advertising. Luring potential customers into a sand trap, where they are misled into believing they are supporting something beyond a small group of people with a profit motive.

A Gross, H. Douglas. “The Aqua-Vegeculture System.” iAVS. 27 May 2024, https:// iavs.info/the-aqua-vegeculture-system/.

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No animals around this portion of my property and I haven't dropped anything anywhere near this area...

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What are your thoughts?

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The original was posted on /r/permaculture by /u/ventomar on 2024-11-23 16:55:02+00:00.


Dear fellow permaculture enthusiasts, if you haven't heard of it yet, I recommend the Agroecology Map, which I think could very well replace the almost defunct Permaculture Network, which is actually mapped in this project by the agroecology community, so we can use the data directly.

It's a very good network for finding contacts, but not so good for more specific permaculture records of our network, such as our training records and PDCs.

However, I believe it is an interesting way to search for experiences and actions.

Go there and create your own spaces too, keeping them updated.

Would you like to occupy and unite this network with permaculture enthusiasts?

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Howdy Permaculture Enthusiasts!

I’m diving into a fascinating project that combines my love for mycology with my commitment to permaculture principles: cultivating Amanita Muscaria and other mycorrhizal fungi indoors. My goal is to create sustainable, closed-loop systems where these fungi help improve soil health, support plant growth, and increase biodiversity—all while being mindful of the environment.

Why Amanita Muscaria?

While often known for its toxicity, A. Muscaria plays a unique and critical role in forest ecosystems through its symbiotic relationship with trees and plants. I believe this can be replicated in controlled environments, where the right balance of soil acidity, nitrogen, and mycorrhizal helper bacteria (MHB) can support its growth.

Right now, I’m experimenting with different host plants that can provide the specific nutrients and soil conditions A. Muscaria needs. The goal is to replace traditional hosts like pine or birch with plants that can replicate the necessary nitrogen availability and soil acidity while still contributing to a permaculture system.

I’m also working to incorporate Mycorrhizal Helper Bacteria (MHB) like Pseudomonas Fluorescens to enhance the growth and fruiting potential of the fungi. This aligns with my permaculture goals of working with natural systems, minimizing waste, and fostering regenerative practices.

As part of this project, I’m also studying how MHB affects plant growth, the interaction with mycorrhizal fungi, and how it influences the development of other mushroom species. I’m experimenting with different cohosts—not only for mycorrhizal fungi but also for other fungal varieties. The aim is to create synergistic relationships between different fungi and plants, improving overall growth rates, yield, and ecological balance.

As I continue this project, I’m working on integrating these practices into all of my grows and projects. My goal is to create a more sustainable and ecologically balanced approach to mushroom cultivation that goes beyond just Amanita muscaria and can be applied to other mycorrhizal species and various growing systems.

I’d love to hear from anyone who’s integrated mycorrhizal fungi into their permaculture systems or has insights into creating environments for beneficial fungi to thrive.

I appreciate any input and look forward to your insight! 🌱🍄

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The original was posted on /r/permaculture by /u/glamourcrow on 2024-11-20 11:45:48+00:00.


When you prune your fruit trees, bring some of those twigs and branches into your house. Put them in water and place them in a cool spot near a window. If you do this in the first week of December, you have fragrant spring blossoms around Christmas. In my experience, wild plum works best. The smaller the flowers the higher the success rate.

In my region, this tradition goes back to the 13th century (likely earlier).

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Hi all, hoping to find some good resources or just straight tips from the community about silviculture with pigs. That's the TLDR. The rest is getting a bit long so please just resource-dump without reading the details if you like!!

A nice Galician Porco Celta that's not ours

We live in an area of very young oak forest in Galicia (northern Spain), it was all worked land until about 30 years ago so the trees are closely packed and skinny. We might get custody of 1.5 hectare of it (3.7 acres) or perhaps more. People are generally keen for others to clear their abandoned land that they forget they own until the council sends them an order to clean it. The management we hope to do would all be moving towards having a healthier woodland with fewer, healthier trees, light, diverse forest floor and potentially livestock under them permanently.

The traditional local pig breed, porco celta or celtic pig, is absolutely perfect for this and there's a bit of a resurgence in free-range breeding for serious quality meat in situations like ours. From early research I am seeing a few big differences between the norm here and the variety of projects I see online, or rather there is very little variety here in the approach so I am hoping to draw from wider wisdom without losing sight of practices that make sense in our local context. Really we're going to learn everything we can, so resources would be really appreciated, but here are a few examples of doubts:

1 - Fencing and guardians - we have a lot of wild boar and a few wolves here. People use serious fences around their herds, normally 1.2m of reinforced wire fence with an electric wire running close to the ground inside, another outside, and one at 1.5m on the fenceposts. This clashes with what I see online from other countries, which is usually a two-line electric fence. I imagine these projects have guardian animals, dogs or donkeys. I would love to guard the pigs with two female donkeys and have a simpler fence. Does anyone have experience or instincts on this?

2 - Rotation with sheep - I have seen projects online which use pigs to clear land, thin the trees manually, then sow grass and move hardy forest-friendly sheep in. Very attractive idea to us, the woods here were used like this a long time ago and it could result in a permanently sustainable, healthy woodland. But we don't have infinite woodland to keep moving the pigs into new areas. Would a rotation work, whereby four quadrants rotated between pigs, grass growing, and sheep passing through? My hesitation about this is never reaching a stable point of deciding "this woodland is balanced enough to stay still for a while". But we are talking about the first years of a very long term plan.

3 - Going away for a few days - we're a couple with a newborn baby and some dogs, cats and chickens. We've put a lot of effort into setting up the chickens to be safe and happy for maybe four or five days without us, because we're not ready to completely say goodbye to excursions (my family lives way back in England, for example). I kinda assume that a well-set-up system like this could stand a few days without checking the fences and seeing the pigs (and possibly donkeys), but I don't really know. Any insights??

OK, end of essay. Big thanks to anyone who got to the end, tips or no tips, but yeah we'd really appreciate the tips! Thanks in advance xxx

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The original was posted on /r/permaculture by /u/MrMushi99 on 2024-11-17 18:55:57+00:00.


Hello, my mother has made some progress through a Permaculture Design program. With that being said I was wondering if there were any gift ideas that you all would recommend. She's currently located on the Southern Oregon coast, but has resided within Central Oregon, North Central Washington, & Idaho Panhandle (where I, and her other son will soon reside). She has expressed interests in the factors relevant to permaculture design in all of these listed areas with an emphasis on Native American techniques. Texts or gadgets, both historical and modern that she may utilize to expand and apply relevant knowledge would be great if possible.

In an attempt to not ask a question without offering something of my own, I am a land surveyor. While I am not exactly sure how our industries may be directly involved, mapping of landscape seems applicable to permaculture. So if you've got any questions regarding my industry and how it may be applied within permaculture, feel free to ask. Thanks all!

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Hi, I’m not sure if this is the right subreddit for this question but I’ll try. Is there a good source from where i could find some information about old farming methods like scything, forestry or more generally managing a piece of land? I’ve always loved old hand tools and methods , from scythes to axes to dry rock walls but I find very difficult to find good sources of information (other than old people knowledge). I’ve started planning next year garden and forest management since i have a good piece of forest and field but I’ll love to try and use some hand tools “the right way” Thanks everyone in advance

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