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https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/bitcoin-miner-texas-power-energy-19964243.php

Perhaps WISE? You can use the web page unlike Revolut.

So Degrowth.

Similar to Professor Kevin Anderson.

CEOs are just doing their job

So where the guards at Auschwitz, they had families to support, acted lawfully etc.

First order, 2nd order or third order becomes an issue as you point out, gun deaths assigned to Winchester or to the shooter or to the Governments who allows legislation for it to happen ? ? Another example, cigeratte smoke, contact from particulates on residuals left on inanimte objects (3rd order) kills thousands of people, whose "fault"? Should you approach anyone seen smoking and rightly accuse them of manslaughter for third order impacts ? Or just shoot them becase it's a "greater good" ?

I read an article once on how much Artic ice the average American melted annually though car emissions, how many do they kill through car manslaughter vs car pollution, is that then treated like gun deaths? Assigned to Ford or Toyota, or to the individual ? What about voters who choose not to elect politicians who then support car use reduction via public and alterate transport even if they dont drive themselves ?

No train driver delivering inmates to Auswitch killed anyone but we hold them somewhat responsible, not the company making the trains not those building the trains.

What about those working in ammunition factories suppying Israel ? Vicarious liability is a thing. Just rhe CEO ?

Is the wife who shoots her abusive husband responsible? What about the "terrorist" from Afghanistan who had their family whiped out by a US combatant and bombs a Mall in the US ? Revenge, or justice, or ? Should the US Army be held responsbile for it ? The Government? the voters ?

I don't think it's a slippery slope, I think it's impossible to calculate and i don't think theres any solution. I do think a bunch of people will hold wildly differing opinions eg i think the Unabomber was right and justified and Manson was wrong ... for another example. Was a terrorist like Washington right ? Only becase he won.

Grew up on enthusiast BBS, Lemmy is like a bunch of them are linked up.

Dislike for profit internet as it must inevitably lead to enshitification, just never had a term for that in the past :)

I don't have an issue with "toxicity" as i just ignore it, like a dog shit on the side walk. I prefer the "BBS/Usenet format" to Twitter like Mastodon though I am over on Masto and had been there for many years. I don't participate much though.

Warm clothes and an electric blanket at night to go to sleep. I keep my body warm not the house.

It's why we invented the gulliotine

Whenever were asked at a voting booth to select a move towards doing something, we chose the opposite.

Surely it's clear by now we give no fucks beyond a modicum of pearl clutching ? We're still flying and driving cars, catching cruise ships, pleasure water craft, private jets blah blah blah

Sort of related here in Australia

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/greens-to-call-news-corp-execs-to-greenwashing-inquiry-over-gas-ads-20241204-p5kvrc.html

The Greens will call News Corp Australia executives to appear before a Senate inquiry into greenwashing over a series of front pages promoting gas without clearly disclosing a commercial relationship with gas companies.

Actually, the US has cut emissions already.

Only via dodgy accounting, Defence arent counted, international flights, international shipping etc aren't counted at all. Then there is the entire issue that outsourced emsision are ignored, they will go up again if onshoring occurs. Outsourced emissons are worse becase of shipping which isn't counted at all.

The dodgy accounting is deliberate as Deiter Helm explains.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/forget_kyoto_putting_a_tax_on_carbon_consumption

We're doing noting to reduce emissions except LARPing. This isnt a tech problem, it's a behavioural one. Closing aiports, banning private cars, banning cruise ships, cutting the military in 1/2 are solutions ebwryhibg eise is just posturing.

Bit I've had this debate with you a decade ago on Reddit and since then the Keeling curve keeps rising an rising.

We're not idiots.

Hnmm, I'd argue we are.