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[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 120 points 1 year ago (6 children)

No. Stop.

This is the definition of interrupting your enemy when they're making a mistake.

Let them kill windows 10, I have atleast 5 friends ready to switch to linux when Windows 10 hits EOL.

[–] Sabin10@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (5 children)

As a gamer, proton/lutris still isn't quite to the point that I am ready to make the jump. It's very close though and I'm going to make the switch probably in the next 24 months.

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 55 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Typically, imo, most people who aren't ready to jump to Linux are there because their top couple of games are ruled by arrogant devs/publishers who balk at the idea of ticking an "enable proton compatibility" checkbox with their anticheat.

From what I've seen Proton has hit a quality of compatibility that the games will just run, and typically better than Windows. If it doesn't run it's usually because it's too new and proton needs a patch, or the devs/publishers did the aforementioned "no, i won't tick the checkbox, it's too hard." bullshit.

Basically, if your waiting on a game to be supported for proton, it may need to wait until Linux adoption hits around 20 percent before the devs/publishers get that bullshit idea out of their head.

[–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

For me it's that a lot of the open source options to replace the Adobe and MS Office suites just always fall short. Trouble shooting Linux issues feels like hell after a lifetime of learning how to troubleshoot Windows issues.

Adobe is the bane of my existence for many reasons, and I jump ship wherever I can. But GIMP doesn't really compare to Photoshop. Inkscape doesn't work well against illustrator - the only open source artistic creation software I swear by is blender. Davinci resolve isnt bad compared to premier pro though - but not After Effects.

MS office isn't great either (why does Ms word operate like it exists in a separate instance of reality that's forever stuck in the 90s?!)

Microsoft captured the corporate world and compatibility with the off brand stuff is a huge issue

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[–] Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee 67 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Based on my conversations with my clients, it seems like the 2025 date is going to result in the greatest Linuxing of all time.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

as an avid multi-decades linux desktop user who has worked at a company with people in it before, i believe there is no way in fuck that this is true.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, I work in industrial automation and I don't see how it could be possible

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[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

The year of the Linux desktop is upon us. The prophecy has been foretold by the sages of the code. A new dawn is on the horizon. A new era of freedom an power approaches as more and more disks are cleansed by the mighty forces set free by Stallmann and Torvalds. No more shall the users be enslaved by proprietary software and restrictive licenses.

The Year of the Linux Desktop is upon us, and nothing can stop it.

[–] weedwhacking@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Everyone knows Microsoft OSs are tick-tock anyway. The failed 11 will be superseded by a well received 12, and the cycle will continue. Can’t kill 10 until 12 is fully accepted. Like 10 and 7 before it.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I find this funny as I remember the first 5 years of Windows 10 be like everyone hates it because it's not Windows 7

[–] BudgieMania@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago

Well it was replacing the tile-silliness of Windows 8, any OS that booted would receive some goodwill in comparison

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I wouldn't count on that, if the rumor mill of windows 12 being a subscription model ends up true, it will be recieved far worse than 11 did.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This was never a thing. Someone took a blurb said by someone on a call, and ran with it. No one fact checked, no one looked at context. At least not until after the articles were out.

The subscription stuff has always been on the enterprise side. Hell, it’s available right now and you don’t see it on the consumer side.

In fact, 11 doesn’t even require activation. You can just install it, never activate, and continue to use it perpetually. How would the next step in their movement away from requiring consumer purchase be to charge monthly for access? Makes no damn sense right out the gate.

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[–] scottywh@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's been articles saying that's disproven and it's so far out I don't get why people are even talking about it at all yet really.

Editing to add the following link:

https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/10/16/no-windows-12-is-a-free-upgrade-and-wont-require-a-subscription/

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 year ago (32 children)

Man, I'm just going to say it... I'm sick of all the Linux people saying it's the solution to all problems in computing. Can we not talk about anything else here on Lemmy? This article is about Windows.

[–] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 20 points 1 year ago

I mean, this is platform which runs on Linux and embodies the same spirit which drives Linux forward - the collaborative power of opensource software. Is shouldn't come as a surprise that there's a heavy skew of Linux and opensource enthusiasts here. If you're sick of all the Linux talk here, feel free to move to a propriety forum, perhaps one with a red alien logo.

This article is about Windows.

The article is about Window 10 becoming EOL, and given how many people are put off by Windows 11, suggesting Linux as an alternative is a reasonable comment, IMO. Feel free to argue otherwise if you feel so strong against it.

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[–] cryptix@discuss.tchncs.de 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As someone once told , windows 10 would be that last version of windows.(I like to keep it that way , at least for me😅).

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 1 year ago

That someone was Microsoft 😆.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Don't really care. Once this PC can't run Windows 10 anymore, it's getting Mint.

I've recently come to realize all of the games I actually like to play, run just fine on Linux. YMMV, of course.

[–] Senex@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago

My next computer will be Mint and open source programs.

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[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I remember Microsoft saying that Windows 10 would be the last version they would ever release and everything moving forward would just be iteration and improvement. Knew that was a lie immediately.

[–] Metz@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Microsoft never said that. Its a myth that refuses to die. A single developer on a conference mentioned something as a sidenote, the press misinterpreted it and the internet took it and ran with it.

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[–] krayj@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 year ago (8 children)

My system significantly exceeds all the performance requirements for Win11, but it doesn't have the Trusted Platform Module 2.0...and therefore cannot run Windows 11. It's disappointing that my system can run circles around a lot of newer devices but can't upgrade because it's running on an older motherboard. It's dumb that Microsoft made TPM 2.0 a deal-breaking requirement for Win11.

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apparently you can get around that with a registry hack that tells the installer the machine has it. Not that I’d want windows 11 anyway…

[–] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

IIRC if you use Rufus to make your installer USB it has a preset for Win11 with no TPM. Again, not that you'd want to go out of your way to install it but doing it that way is pretty seamless.

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[–] rikonium@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We had petitions for everything, Windows Phone, you name it a decade ago. That won’t do jack shit unless it somehow comes with some large sum of money (how much? who knows) for Microsoft or some bean counter decides “hmm, maybe the environment shouldn’t take another for the team” and gets the company to change course before they are canned.

In the meantime, let’s continue to plot our off-ramps.

[–] bleistift2@feddit.de 24 points 1 year ago

Never mind the millions of PCs that don’t want to downgrade to this garbage.

[–] elouboub@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A nonprofit group has sent a petition to Microsoft, urging it to extend the end-of-support date for Windows 10 beyond 2025 to prevent “the junking” of millions of PCs.

"junking". Install linux on it you mugs!

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Yup, putting this date on my calendar as the last time I'll own a Windows machine.

[–] SirStumps@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I've been using Windows 11 for a while now and honestly I don't understand the hate. Who needs personalized functionality? Who needs to be able to move their bar from screen to screen? I do. I'm moving to Linux.

[–] LogicalSpace@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I use Ubuntu for pretty much everything, but I would prefer to use 10 in the unfortunate event that I have to boot into Windows.

[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm not buying another windows OS.

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[–] dlok@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Not supporting intel 7th gen and back seemed pretty strong handed, even now they're still decent processors.

And I know there are work-arounds but not for the average consumer

[–] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 14 points 1 year ago

"No"

\ - MS

[–] BudgieMania@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Windows XP/Vista story repeated to the last letter, damn

Windows 11 will be relegated to a footnote in Wikipedia

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trouble is, to upgrade I'd need to do a mobo upgrade, and I'm not doing another mobo upgrade any time soon.

Windows 10 wasn't great compared to 7, but I bit the bullet on that one because security updates are essential these days, and my workplace is microsoft-centric.

Windows 10s death is going to force a lot of poorer folks to consider alternatives - and let's be honest, it's going to be Linux. The majority of hardware out there in the world can't run 11, let alone a proposed 12.

[–] pycorax@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Windows 10s death is going to force a lot of poorer folks to consider alternatives - and let’s be honest, it’s going to be Linux. The majority of hardware out there in the world can’t run 11, let alone a proposed 12.

For the more technically strong people, I can see that happening but I very much doubt the general public would do that. They probably don't even know what Linux is.

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[–] MrSilkworm@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Hopefully by 2025 gaming in Linux will be greatly improved even more. Until then I'll keep using Windows 10 and I'll start saving for an AMD card

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[–] jigsaw250@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Well, looks like it may be time to try and see what Linux is all about. Any good recommendations for a relatively Out of the Box experience?

I mostly just browse the web and play games (both single player and multiplayer, mostly AAA but also the occasional indie). On occasion, I also like to do some video editing in Davinci Resolve.

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[–] Smacks@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Because petitioning a company works, yeah

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'll stick to XP, 7 and 10 in my VMs then.

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