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Basically, title, here is a link to the Reddit thread for people curious: https://archive.ph/6mObB

I'm quite surprised with the neutral to positive reactions, which also show that some people will probably never leave Reddit.

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 203 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's not about the money, though. If it was, they would have just said "third-party API access now requires Reddit Gold", and a bunch of us would still have stayed there, giving them more money (and content) than they are making now.

Instead, it's about fundamentally remaking the site to actively drive conversations toward things people pay to hype, and not have those conversations spring up organically. Steering traffic is much harder to do when it can be accessed through third parties.

They don't want users creating content around what interests them. They want to charge users to interact with content that advertisers pay to host.

[–] August27th@lemmy.ca 69 points 1 year ago

They don't want users creating content around what interests them. They want to charge users to interact with content that advertisers pay to host.

Digg 3.0

[–] BaronVonBort@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I was a very heavy Apollo user. I was ALREADY paying monthly for it and if Reddit would have released a reasonable API charge structure and worked with devs, I’d have been happy to pay more for it because I used it every day.

They shot themselves in the foot trying to create a walled garden, now it’s just bots complementing each other in weirdly verbose comments back and forth.

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[–] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That, and Reddit was being used to train AI. They saw that and decided they should shut off the API unless companies paid, and the hell with all the users harmed by the change.

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[–] doubletwist@lemmy.world 87 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've paid for Relay Pro multiple times over the years, and was happy to do so. And if this subscription had been implemented as just a way to support Relay, I'd have subscribed in a heartbeat, because it's a fantastic app and worth every penny.

But due to all the Reddit API (and other) bullshit behind it, I just can't do it. After many, many years of happy usage, I uninstalled Relay Pro yesterday when I got the update.

As far as I'm concerned, Reddit is now only a "read-only" archive that I'll read if a search returns old information I need, and I'll read just the post/comment I need from an ad-blocking browser then move on elsewhere (ie. lemmy) when I want to participate in conversations.

I know it's highly unlikely, but if dbrady ever releases a Relay for Lemmy app, I'll pay for it.

[–] Octavian@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

I agree, I loved relay. Really sad to see it end this way. I hope he remakes it for lemmy.

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[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same with Narwhal. They released some days ago their 2.0 App and already mentioned that in a couple of weeks the payment will start. The crazy part (besides the astronomical price) is that you pay for each API request. So every time you upvote, you make an API request and have to pay for it. YOU, the user, gonna pay for GIVING Reddit your engagement. That is crazy. Every Social Media plattform is trying too squeeze out as much engagement as possible from their userbase and now the user has to pay for it too. At this point, the best thing would be to deactive your your up/downvote buttons and comment buttons, to ease on the API requests. The the exact contrary of what the plattforms wants you for. I deleted the App after a decade of usage the same day. Reddit got everything from me. Engagement, Comments and my whole leaning on political and cultural topics based on my votes and comments to build a profile. Now they get nothing out of me. Fuck you Spez.

[–] Cyberbatman@lemmings.world 55 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Multiple years of Relay Pro and last night was upted with the monthly paid option which I am strongly not into. Uninstalled as soon as it showed up and downloaded Boost for Lemmy, so far so good. Few issues here and there but nothing major

[–] e_mc2@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago

Yup same. Although I could do with the silver subscription at € 2,29 a month, I still skipped it and moved on to the one-time paid Boost for Lemmy. Feel sorry for dBrady though. He put a lot of effort into making the best Reddit app imo and now he's forced to charge his users and hand over 90% to those greedy a-holes.

[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Check out lemmy sync as well! Excellent app. Also don't tell anyone but if you use the "list" display mode (instead of cards as default) on the free version, it doesn't show any ads.

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[–] banana_meccanica@feddit.it 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In a few years it will be 9.99$, then 19.99$, 32.99$ ect. Congratulations to those who power capitalism

[–] President_Pyrus@feddit.dk 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

As a conservative (by Danish standards, in the US I would probably be centrist and probably vote for the Democrats) I would say that capitalism doesn't work well for every case in a society. In the olden days, people would meet in the town square and use the village posters.

Those local communities has largely been replaced by the internet today, and whereas the old communities was run by itself with its people taking ownership and responsibility for it with the incentive to make the community as good as possible, today the communities are largely owned by companies with a profit drive. In these new communities the incentive for the owner (the company) is not to create the best possible community, but to extract the most money from it.

I would say that pure capitalism would be to the detriment to a society. Capitalism is more a product of liberalism (where I am not using the definition of liberalism that most Americans would, but the "correct" definition) than it is a product of conservatism.

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[–] Fullest@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Former Relay user here.

Willing to bet the comments in that thread are positive because survivorship bias, at least in part. Folks like me who deleted the app probably wouldn't have commented, after all. I'm also sure I wasn't the only one to see the subscription prompt come up and just delete the app.

knew it was coming and decided ahead of time that when I was forced to pay, I'd just delete the app.

[–] Funny@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Same thought process. Uninstalled as soon as the subscription showed.

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[–] Occamsrazer@lemdro.id 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I vowed to be done with it when it became subscription based, and now here I am. Kind of glad actually, been looking for an excuse for years as the site became more and more stale, unoriginal, and politics began to overwhelm everything. Maybe this is just how it has to be every decade or so.

[–] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Don't kid yourself there's A LOT of Reddit here on Lemmy.

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[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I got shouted down pretty intensely when relay announced they'd be doing this, and I mentioned it'd been a good run but I was jumping ship, especially vitriolic against the mention of lemmy lol

i'd used relay for a decade, was a bit sad

[–] NerfHerder@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Same. Bought pro the day it released. Was a great interface but once Reddit announced they were digging out, I settled into Lemmy.

[–] Airazz@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I signed up here a while ago but continued using reddit because Relay still worked. Now it's asking for money and there's no chance in hell I'll give even a cent to spez.

[–] thoro@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yep. I kept using Reddit with relay but now I'm going to use it so much less. The official app is garbage and I will never pay a monthly subscription to use Reddit

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

LMFAO, paying money to be shit on, incredible.

[–] UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Based on my usage I'd have to get one of the higher tier of plans. I'm not entirely against paying in theory, but when reddit actively protected subreddits that spread hate speech and misinformation? No I'm not paying.

[–] andysteakfries@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Sync for Reddit stopped working as soon as the API changeover happened on July 1.

The developer rewrote the app for Lemmy, though, and it's pretty damn good.

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[–] Traegs@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've used Relay for years, first tried it when it was still called Reddit News.

I'll admit that I've been browsing Reddit a bit with the official app and it's a garbage experience. Like, there's no /r/all? Wtf.

Anyway, it's just pushing me more onto Lemmy. It's slowly turning into a viable alternative as engagement grows.

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[–] tiita@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

yep. I also came from reddit and I've been using relay since the beginning.

I have so much time for relay for reddit. it's a great application and I have plenty of time for the developer too

he's the only one who didn't abandon the ship when the spez made those idiotic changes and came up with a workaround.

But yes, it costs money.

My take is if you still like to use reddit on mobile, that's the way to go.

Having said that, there's another app called redreader which is still free and very decent, but stuck in the stone age compared to relay.

The 4.99 cost is one of the options the devs provides too. there are more.

it's either that or ads with crap functionality, especially on mobile.

I hope the developer will also develop something for lemmy at some point. he's awesome, for what I can tell.

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[–] leftzero@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I was a Relay user. Now I use Connect for Lemmy. 🤷‍♂️

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[–] Devious_Thoughts@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

$5 a month to spend your time with the neck beards and power tripping mods? 🤢

At least on this side most people here aren't addicted to social media imo

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It wasn't until I started having conversations on reddit in something I was an actual expert in they I realised most people on reddit have very strong opinions but not much actually knowledge on the subject.

Hopefully less bots and fluff here and more quality content. All I know is after 10+ years on reddit its the end of an era. It was slow when reddit started, and I expect things to be a bit slower here for a bit.

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[–] ElusiveFox@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is what made me swap over to Lemmy! I loved the relay app but after already paying for the premium version I didn't want to pay again. I know it's reddits fault, but still

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[–] gunslingerfry@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I'm honestly impressed that Reddit has gone through with their decision despite the uproar. I'm surprised and disappointed they are weathering it so well though.

[–] vivavideri@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Well, I guess once relay forces the update, I'm out again.

There's a couple subreddits with troves of info I frequent which makes it a hella pain in the ass to access on mobile.

[–] cheeseburger@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

I had auto update for relay pro disabled in anticipation of the change, but just tried to open it now, and it forces the update to continue. So I uninstalled. Crazy I've used it since the beginning when it was called Reddit News.

14 years on Reddit was long enough though. I tried to stop scrolling it for years, so I'm happy the changes were more than enough to make my quitting stick.

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[–] spark947@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, I kinda knew I was using g relay on borrowed time. Will be deleting it now,, and maybe asking for my two dollars back somehow idk. I think a lot of the people that would have negative reactions already have got it out of their system and have accepted that reddit on mobile is a no go three months ago.

[–] gurmif@sopuli.xyz 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Why would you ask for your two bucks back? You got years of good service. Let the dev keeps his couple of bucks.

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

No kidding, it's not his fault reddit fucked everyone. You aren't getting the $2 back from reddit.

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[–] sronweb@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm another user escaping from Reddit and I hope more users will come in Lemmy too. I understand that patching apps may allow to use Reddit for more, but it's just to extend life of dead man and mostly wasting time.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Imagine paying for mobile access to nazi digg.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Man, I was using a patched version of Boost for $0.00/month lol

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