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I mean, the american idiotic narrative of outraise, outspend, outcapitalist can get bent. when you're faced with such an immense force of vast resources, you don't raise a similar sized force and roll the dice on the outcome - you engage in asymetric warfare.
disperse all that shit in P2P networks with multiple redundancies with no single point of failure. who are they gonna sue, the i2p stack or whatever? fuck those fuckers.
I'd finance something like that with my meager resources, instead of filling some coffers to finance lawyers and whatnot.
I think they do provide torrents for the stuff they have available to download already. So we know what to do *wink*!
My Internet archive T-shirt just came in the mail.
The Internet Archive should seriously consider moving outside US juristiction.
irc, it's already backed up to multiple other countries. I assume this isn't some crazy idea, and they've considered this themselves.
Donate to help their defense, or donate to help them move their infrastructure. I think they need money more than they need big brain ideas.
They need to operate out of a different country that respects human knowledge even at the expense of corporations' profits. What exactly that country is, I have no clue.
But yeah. In the short term, moving out of a fascist country to basically anywhere else is a good idea for them.
None, lol. But there are some who don't give a shit about copyright because it benefits them
Guys PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, download it all. The only way to preserve information is to copy it until 1 survives
I am just a poor fucking Iranian with shitass internet and no money to buy a NAS but I'll try to hawk some part of it as much as I can
Is there a coordinated way to mirror it, like Anna's Archive is doing with their torrents? I'd be happy to pitch in a few terrabytes
and they accept donations in crypto 👍
thank you so much, you're doing god's work
No No. It's man's work. Responsibility must not be shifted
lol i know it was just a saying
Please move out of USA where trolls are more prevalent
willing to bet that the ia does a million more for artists than the record labels ever did
There must be a lot of complicated aspects to this that I don't understand.
The right course of action seems obvious to me...
Firstly spin out a separate organisation to manage the wayback machine. It shouldn't be part of the pot defending against litigation like this.
Secondly, and I feel silly saying this but... don't institutionalise the perpetration of rights violations? In the age of distributed databases and the dark web and the block chain and federation surely we can figure out a way to archive media that doesn't put people or organisations at risk of litigation.
Finally, if the individuals involved with IA are not liable for the debts of IA then the organisation should fold because that's practically free compared to defending against these litigious assholes.
48PB in excess of 120 million items.
Most of our distributed storage sharing systems break down long before that.
Even if DHT could handle it, we'd need like five full copies of it out there for it to be safe, and not one or two people with multi petabyte rigs, when you get really distributed.
2100 22tb drives
~700k dollars.
If you factor in volume discounts you can probably afford enough discs to make it a bunch of nice raids.
Of course, then you'll need a bunch of really expensive chassis to be able to mount them and have them working.
Seems like somebody could stand a spare a couple million to make that happen.
The reason this is as public as it is is because an archive like this is more useful the more is archived. If you manage it in an entirely hidden way, you basically won't get it accessible from the clearnet and are relegated to keep it on Tor or similar. And once you do that, a lot less people will use it and thus it'll be a lot less useful.
Also, they are not only fighting for an archive to exist, they're fighting for it being a societally acceptable thing to exist.
In the age of distributed databases and the dark web and the block chain and federation surely we can figure out a way to archive media that doesn’t put people or organisations at risk of litigation
That limits and gatekeeps access to an enormous degree. The IA wants to be useful to everyone, not just the tiny fraction of the world population savvy enough to use the internet for more than opening a browser and a chat client.
don’t institutionalise the perpetration of rights violations?
Counterpoint: The perpetration of this kind of rights violation precisely needs to be normalized to the point of meaninglessness. Intellectual property can either go away top-down (which considering the way things went over the past century is never going to happen) or it can go away bottom up - it has to be flaunted and disregarded by everybody via continued large-scale disobedience.
Or, of course, it could just never go away.
That limits and gatekeeps access
Not necessarily, I wasn't really proposing to just torrent everything. I was kinda dreaming of a more creative solution that trivialises access while abstracts the actual hosting away from individuals.
this kind of rights violation precisely needs to be normalized
Perhaps, but if so this just isn't the way to achieve that. IA doesn't seem sustainable.
I have a question. Would it be better for me to donate money to the Internet Archive, or would it be more beneficial long term to purchase a NAS and torrent as much stuff from TIA that I can?
why not both? small donations to the IA pile up. also the IA has several petabytes of data so it would be difficult to mirror that completely but sharing parts you're interested in (even on the small scale) can be immensely useful.
I think that's a good idea. I'm planning on cancelling my $3/month discord subscription so money can go twords TIA instead
I have about a spare laptop I can setup to be a seeder in the closet or sthm