Closed is closed is closed. Not even going to test on one of my VMs. :/
this post was submitted on 22 Apr 2025
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No thank you
I'm no crypto fan or plan on using micropayments either, but if I don't use it, where's the harm?
Lightning is a steaming pile of horse shit. Anyone who thinks lightning is peer-to-peer is totally fooling themselves.
Well I agree with you that Lightning isn't a magical piece of innovation that will scale Bitcoin to the masses. However you can use it p2p. There is no lie here. Is it easy to setup ? Is it easy to maintain ? Not really it's not hard but it's a entry barrier for sure.
A FOSS app focusing on privacy should be released on F-droid.
It's not FOSS, it is somewhat open source but the licence is too restrictive to be Free(dom) Software
I couldn't find the source nor the license. But if it's not FOSS I wouldn't even consider it.
I tried it but they market themselves as Open Source and when I started digging I was like ehhhh... no thanks and I uninstall the app.
where is source code of keet?
it is not mentioned on site, I found their github https://github.com/holepunchto but I cannot find keet source here
He never said its Open Source and the feature fees explain why
This app has a lot going for it:
- Free and open source
I skimmed that text 3 times to be sure. Seems like it heavily oversaw it.
My bad, on the Pears homepage it says "Join the open-source P2P revolution", so I assumed that was the case.
Someone asked the same question in the community group chat. Seems like the UI for Keet is closed atm, the rest is open.
The biggest downside with P2P on a mobile device is it needs to run in the background all the time, and constantly uses small amounts of data making connections.
So far battery and data usage is ok, but we'll see after some more testing
The other issue is if you're offline with no internet service and you come back online, you may not ever see any messages sent during that time.
Seems like they've got that covered
I dunno. P2P traffic always seems to overburden light users and it would indeed require the apps to always run in the background to relay the traffic. Although the idea seems compelling I wouldn’t install the software on a machine of mine.
I'm testing syncing, notification and battery usage now on a few devices to see how it behaves. So far, so good. It also lets you specify which type of user you are inviting, so that admins does the heavy lifting
I’m not sure I understand this, tbh. Does that mean the P2P network works on a chat group basis? Or does the user explicitly choose who to build a P2P network with? And then, there are lots of follow up questions already looking around the corner.
Their website seems to explain very little and the app itself is closed source. Although there are open source dependencies, it’s for instance unclear whether they are complete. So I guess it’ll all come down to trust into the software and the company. Btw. their privacy statement allows the usage of aggregate data for marketing purposes and the sharing of data with third parties, such as search engines. And latest at that point I’d rather self-host a matrix instance.