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[–] Blazing8215@fedia.io 1 points 6 hours ago

I tried to, but both Vivaldi and Brave had issues I couldn't get over and in the end I decided to have a time out by switching to Firefox ESR with custom policy and autoconfig.

Whatever happens in April will probably take time to land on ESR so I will hopefully have plenty of time to adopt about:config changes or actually switch to another browser.

I don't feel like switching back to LibreWolf, since I already used it ages ago and learnt to make my current setup with upstream Firefox, so it would be kind of pointless and what would I do at Chromium? Three months and ManifestV2 is permanently killed and what extension doesn't say to run better on Firefox? I have been observing at least uBlock Origin (manifest V2), Privacy Badger (v3 in Chrome) and NoScript (also v3) and I think at least GitHub discussions said they all have shortcomings on Chrome.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 11 hours ago
[–] BullishUtensil@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Played around with zen this afternoon - worried about what appears to be their stance of deferring to Firefox when it comes to privacy policy etc. (Also found what appears to be a weird glitch where the flatpak version crapped out when I tried to set up multiple profiles - appimage worked well.)

Installed waterfox instead. I have only used it for perhaps 2 hours so far, but I already feel like I like it better than default Firefox.

I think my main problem with these smaller browsers is that it's more work for me as a user to keep tabs of what happens around these projects. If the browser I pick has a usage rate of 0.03% instead of 3%, I expect that only 1/100 as many eyes are going to keep up with what this browser (developer) is doing, meaning that I will be much, much less likely to hear about any fuckups from the devs.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Maybe, but I'll stay on the non-Chromium end of things. I'll definitely try out some competitors, such as:

  • Mullvad Browser
  • Zen
  • LadyBird

I still support engine diversity, but that doesn't have to be mainline Firefox.

That said, I don't think the TOS is as bad as people claim, so I'm in no rush.

[–] apex32@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I was trying out Mullvad Browser and clicked on a Discord link and it launched the Discord app on my computer.

I was shocked that a security-oriented browser would launch an external application without warning by default. Even Chrome prompts the user first.

Hmm, that is odd.

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Chromium for work and mulvad for home.

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago

This is probably a good opportunity to promote the Lemmy communitiy for LibreWolf: !librewolf@lemmy.ml

[–] OmegaSunkey@ani.social -1 points 17 hours ago

I've tried every now and then but could never switch to firefox fully. It was either big ram usage, slowness, or the inability to handle more than 2 tabs. On android. On pc its just the first 2.

Cromite.

[–] Sophocles@infosec.pub 55 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I still don't see Mozilla as a bad actor, especially in comparison with the villany that is google and microsoft. It's still a great alternative for privacy newbies and average users, although I personally made the switch to librewolf (desktop) and iceraven (mobile) a while ago. Both being forks of firefox, development for actual firefox is essential for either of these to survive, so Mozilla still has my support albeit indirectly

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Mozilla’s only reason of existence right now is so that Google can skirt an antitrust case.

Edit: to be clear, that in itself makes it a bad actor.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I don't subscribe to this theory.

They don't need to keep firefox on life support to avoid an antitrust case. A chromium fork could serve the same purpose.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

That might be true, but the fact that the competitor is using their engine as base could be used against them. It also doesn’t change the fact that they have Mozilla wrapped around their finger.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

the fact that the competitor is using their engine as base could be used against them

Not really.

they have Mozilla wrapped around their finger

There's not really any evidence of that. Sure Mozilla has done some stupid things, and they're not the champions of internet privacy we would like them to be, but it's really just hyperbole to say they're wrapped around google's finger.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 7 hours ago

I guess we just disagree what kind of influence having your company derive 90% of its income from a competitor can have.

[–] zecg@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Librewolf / IronFox for me, Mozilla can fuck right off with their cloud services, added value and hunger for telemetry. Their 2% userbase is about to shrink even further.

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[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

No, because I haven't used mainline Firefox in years.
I'm pretty happy with LibreWolf on desktop and IronFox (available on Accrescent btw!) on Android (GrapheneOS)

Unfortunately it's still much less secure than Chromium, but I want and need a proper adblocker to maintain my freedom online. And I'm definitely not using Brave...

The only kinda usable Chromium browsers are Ungoogled Chromium and Trivalent. I think I might try building Trivalent on macOS at some point. Maybe also gonna apply some patches from Thorium, as long as they don't compromise security.

[–] stray@pawb.social 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately it's still much less secure than Chromium

What does that mean?

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] nothingcorporate@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

I use Waterfox as my primary and Vivaldi as my secondary browser for when a site just really wants a Chromium based browser...it's great, Chrome minus Google, plus a few nice extras. For those old enough to remember when Opera was a popular alternative browser (before getting bought up and turned to garbage) -- Vivaldi is from the guy who made Opera.

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Well it's proprietary and in my opinion extremely bloated.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

No thoughts on privacy, but I have been using Vivaldi for many years now and it's good. Pretty customizable if that's your thing.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I've been using Firefox since it was Netscape, and I'm 'concerned' but not going anywhere yet.

[–] yyprum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, same here... I'm cautiously worried, but more for other things that have happened than these last changes.

[–] Lorindol@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago

Exactly the same situation here. I'll wait for a while and see what happens.

[–] whalebiologist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm mainly trying to work out how to get off windows.

[–] thisismyname@lemm.ee 4 points 17 hours ago

Linux Mint. You'll get a thousand other recommendations which you can perhaps explore once you're more comfortable with Linux but for the easiest most Windows-like experience just get Mint.

You don't even need to ditch Windows completely, if you're uncomfortable with that, because you can dual boot meaning when you turn your PC on it asks would you like to open Windows or Linux

If you don't like it, well, at least you tried. I think you'll have a great time though exploring free software to do tasks you would have had to pay or subscribe to previously.

Take your time, ask questions on forums if you need to, and most importantly, enjoy it. Enjoy the experience of learning how computers actually work, enjoy personalising your machine to truly be your machine.

Good luck, and have fun!

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[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Nope.

Not that I don't think it's a dumb move from Mozilla, but the options right now are:

  • Stay with Firefox
  • Move to a Firefox-based browser

Especially since I use Mozilla's services I'm sorta in their ecosystem right now. Maybe once I've moved passwords off I can consider moving, but even then on Android the only browser that supports uBlock is Firefox afaik, which makes it my YouTube client of choice.

[–] JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 days ago (5 children)

100% recommend moving off firefox's password manager, as it's generally much more insecure than something like Bitwarden

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

a password manager is better.

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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Librewolf. Mozilla will just keep enshittifying their browser. My biggest hope is that chrome is split off from Google and Mozilla loses their funding from google (500M/year). It's way more than they need and they refuse to actually compete with Chrome/Chromium. Instead, they are content being the excuse for Google not to be sued for being a monopoly.

Hopefully the charade will end before Trump leaves office. Either because the US courts force google to split or because the EU finally grows a pair and declares Google and their tech to be a liability. My bet is that a new browser like LadyBird will give Firefox a reason to actually improve, but it'll be too late.

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[–] ibuki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yep. I've switched to Waterfox, but I need a browser for my phone(I run iOS, yes I know), any suggestions?

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Brave is unfortunately still the best browser on iOS when it comes to privacy. I absolutely despise of the company and especially their homophobic CEO, but there aren't better alternatives available right now.

[–] ibuki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 20 hours ago

That's very unfortunate :/

[–] AkashicOwl@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] ibuki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It seems like that's Android only?

[–] AkashicOwl@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Yeah sorry, don't know about Iphones

[–] weker01@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

No, if I read that correctly the terms do not apply to me as I don't use the "Executable Code version of Firefox".

[–] Fitik@fedia.io 11 points 2 days ago

Not yet, they're still the best option that doesn't use Chromium (I don't count Safari), but Servo is looking pretty promising

[–] e0qdk@reddthat.com 9 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Yes.

Short term -- I'll probably be moving to LibreWolf, most likely. I'm planning to spend a good chunk of time this weekend reviewing what exactly their fork does. I've read their self-description already -- and like it -- but I want to look through the code and try to build it myself before I start depending on it.

Long term -- I'll be keeping my eye on Servo and Ladybird.

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