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Okay, this is not an iPhone vs Android Phone debate. I respect your right to choose whichever platform that you want.


I mean, iPhone seems so antithetical with the idea of freedom. You have to connect it to a server to even use it, all apps have to go through a centralized server, no option to install whatever apps you want, which means, you literally cannot have any third-party apps without an online account.

Most of my fellow americans seems to love the idea of freedom so much, yet just buy into a closed ecosystem with no freedom? 🤔

Like almost 60% of Americans use iPhone, kinda weird to preach freedom when you cant even have an app without a corporation's approval. If it were any other country, I wouldn't find it weird, but for a country that's obsessed with the idea of freedom (so much so that they disobeyed mask mandates), it's really weird to be using a device with zero freedom.

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[–] ctkatz@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
  1. iphones are the first recognized "smartphone".
  2. apple is an american company.
  3. apple has a massive fanbase that is completely dedicated to apple and all their products.

i'm not sure what the global usage of apple products is, but i think here it's probably a lot higher than in other places. throw in the fact that there's only one device capable of (legally) running apple's mobile software, and there you have it.

also, their advertising didn't hurt either. no one on the android side had the kind of advertising they did until maybe 6 or 7 years later and by that time you were probably already well established in the iphone ecosystem.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

They used to innovate, no doubt. But their products provide absolutely terrible value now. Great resale, sure. But you're overpaying 20% for the hardware you're getting which is not the case on the Android side. The only thing iPhone universally does better is 1) video and 2) ecosystem (if all your products are Apple). The rest is a tomaeto vs tomahto situation.

Not relevant to most basic users but I could not use a phone where I did not have the freedom to sideload apps, especially if I'm overpaying for the hardware.

[–] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

It’s status. Apple is regarded as more expensive and high quality.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 40 minutes ago

Except the most expensive phones on the market are android devices.

It's actually incredibly difficult to tell if someone has the latest iPhone or one that is five years old.

[–] wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works 0 points 52 minutes ago

Exactly.

The short answer is capitalism. Wasting money is a status symbol.

[–] thebigslime@lemmy.world 12 points 3 hours ago

The answer is marketing by Apple and mobile carriers, which lean on peer pressure via iMessage. Plus the iPhone built on the success of the iPod, which led the market for mp3 players.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Mostly because of bullying. Android users are poor shamed.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Surely that's not a uniquely American phenomenon.

[–] RadDevon@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Freedom is not one thing. The choice between iOS and Android is not a choice between zero freedom and unlimited freedom. You’re simply choosing which freedoms you want to prioritize.

I’m planning to switch to an Android device running an alternative OS with my next purchase after using iPhone exclusively since the 3g. That’s driven by a change in priorities: I want the freedom that comes from using a phone that isn’t a surveillance and advertising vehicle. For years now though, I’ve been enjoying the freedom of knowing my phone will continue to receive updates for a minimum of 5 years after I buy it new while some of my Android friends will be lucky if they get two.

[–] throwback3090@lemmy.nz 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Your definition of freedom is an interesting one

[–] RadDevon@lemmy.zip -1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Yep! Like I said, freedom is more than one thing. The way this questions is framed tries to put the blinders on and obscure that fact, creating a false equivalency between the freedom to sideload software and some abstract notion of “absolute freedom” which doesn’t actually exist. We’re rarely choosing between absolute freedom and zero freedom, certainly not in this case.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The iPhone came out before Android, so Apple had first mover advantage it could solidify to a sticky user base.

Also, a "free" Android experience only occurs when you've got full control of everything. Android was a lot more willing to give up control to third parties, including carriers. With Apple, you're only giving control to one company.

[–] throwback3090@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I think you overestimate the value of those first two years.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

What else justifies 60% market penetration?

[–] throwback3090@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I mean apple has spent at least the last decade using iMessage as a way to bring people into the platform and keep them there. Ie the articles from a few years back about using it to manipulate teenager behavior a la Instagram, or the epic games discovery documents which indicated this was a deliberate and cruel strategy from apple to lock ignorant people into their platform to avoid losing their social network.

Tldr: they deliberately try to make people lose friends if they leave the platform. You might say "shit friends" and I'd agree, but this is the FUD that apple spreads.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 50 minutes ago

So they used the first two years to build a consumer user base in the way that RIM couldn't and then was able to defend its market share.

The iMessage strategy couldn't work if people didn't buy in.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 31 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

when you cant even have an app without a corporation’s approval

Apple has successfully positioned themselves as “the good guy”.

  • Apple broke the monopoly of phone provider locks, and still prohibits phone provider bloatware.
  • Apple seems like the only provider with any care for privacy, and many of their features and policies are privacy focussed
  • Apple puts more effort than most software providers into usability
  • you might think Apples constraints on the App Store blocks legitimate opensource and personal projects, but it mostly blocks commercial exploitation. It blocks behaviors that abuse customers or their privacy, that will give users a bad experience. I’ve read the requirement for a fee with a real credit card is actually the most effective strategy against malware
  • every major app is available in the App Store
  • its just a phone. My phone needs to just work, unlike my computer which needs to do whatever I want it to.

So maybe the root cause is lack of consumer protection in the US, but my experience with iPhone is much better than with Android phones. I’m not blind to corporate shenanigans but I do feel better protected in the Apple ecosystem. I do have freedom to choose almost any legitimate app, and I’m not particularly interested n futzing around with my phone anyway

[–] ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Until there is a better alternative to the new evil that is google/alphabet, apple is a lesser evil.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Eh you can achieve similar or greater privacy on a Android phone simply because it's not locked down in the way an iPhone is.

[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

I can only speak for myself and my kids. I have an iPhone because my work gave me one for free. They only support iPhone for security reasons. Keeping Android devices up to date across a large fleet is challenging leaving security gaps. For my kids they wanted my old iPhones because it’s what all their friends have.

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I have no need for third party apps.

For anything beyond texting or scrolling, I have a desktop.

Defying mask mandates wasn’t due to a ‘love for freedom’ but due to delusions and selfishness.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 85 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Americans don't really value freedom. Not really. Americans pretend they like freedom, but they will give up all their freedoms for the slightest bit of convenience, and because social media told them so.

Am I talking about consumer electronics, or politics? Impossible to say.

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[–] artificialfish@programming.dev 16 points 12 hours ago

Tbh androids privacy is shit. I’d rather deal with Apple than Google both on hardware and privacy any day. The only way I’d switch is to something like Graphene

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