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Summary

The "Doomsday Clock" has been moved to 89 seconds to midnight, the closest it has ever been, according to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.

The group cited threats including climate change, nuclear proliferation, the war in Ukraine, pandemics, and the integration of AI into military operations.

Concerns about cooperation between Russia, China, and North Korea on nuclear programs and the potential use of nuclear weapons by Russia were highlighted.

The group urged global leaders to collaborate in addressing existential threats to reverse the clock's progression.

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[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Go to 12 already

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 107 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In the next 4 years you can probably use the thing as a desktop fan.

[–] Yodan@lemm.ee 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

George Carlin would be proud

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Wow! Is that the atomic clock doing a 180? Or does Mikey have a hard-on?

[–] hark@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The doomsday clock is goofy. What benefit is there to setting an arbitrary value on a bad-o-meter?

[–] kava@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

This was started nearly a century ago by scientists after the creation of the atomic bomb a couple years after the end of WW2.

The point is mostly to say "hey, we have the technology to blow up the world and things do not not seem to be going well". They actually give out an annual report every year explaining their reasoning.

In setting the Clock one second closer to midnight, we send a stark signal: Because the world is already perilously close to the precipice, a move of even a single second should be taken as an indication of extreme danger and an unmistakable warning that every second of delay in reversing course increases the probability of global disaster.

Essentially- we are closer than ever to a global war between nuclear powers.

In regard to nuclear risk, the war in Ukraine, now in its third year, looms over the world; the conflict could become nuclear at any moment because of a rash decision or through accident or miscalculation. Conflict in the Middle East threatens to spiral out of control into a wider war without warning. The countries that possess nuclear weapons are increasing the size and role of their arsenals, investing hundreds of billions of dollars in weapons that can destroy civilization. The nuclear arms control process is collapsing, and high-level contacts among nuclear powers are totally inadequate given the danger at hand.

Now someone may say "Closer than ever?? What about the Cuban Missile Crisis?"

The thing is, we have been developing newer and "less dangerous" nuclear weapons. Tactical bombs that won't leave the traditional nuclear fallout. This creates a sort of itchy trigger finger syndrome. After the Cold War, we created nuclear arms control treaties between the US and Russia. These are collapsing. Both the US and Russia are complicit in this.

If anybody wants to read more https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/2025-statement/

But to tldr:

The world is in a chaotic period of time. Fascism seems to be taking hold again, the economy is on the edge of collapse, and war remains an ever-present threat. Any war between great powers (US, China, Russia) would certainly mean nuclear disaster.

The point is that we are vulnerable right now. Any push could shove us tumbling down the hill. Diplomatic crisis, another pandemic, economic crash, a regional war, etc. Any of those could be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

I have a lot of respect for the Bulletin Board of Atomic Scientists. We need these types of organizations to remind people of the danger we are currently in. We become desensitized because of the constant barrage of "historic news" but they're going to look back on this period similarly to the decade before WW2, I believe.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To try and get people to do something. Anything. Nothing else is working.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You say that as if the doomsday clock is working.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's especially stupid as a clock whose time is continually stopped, and whose time is either adjusted forward a few seconds or backward a few seconds every few years. That metaphor just makes no sense.

Some arbitrary score out of 100 would make as little sense, but at least it wouldn't involve a strange nonsensical metaphor.

The concept they're really trying to communicate is better illustrated by the Sword of Damocles. It's a danger that's always looming that could turn into disaster at any time. But, nobody knows exactly when. If they switched to using a Sword of Damocles metaphor, they could talk about strands in the rope holding the sword getting frayed or breaking. Like, one strand represents the environment. One represents the possibility of nuclear war. One represents global health and pandemics. When something good happens, like an environmental treaty, they could talk about how that strand was being repaired.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is a more accurate and more versatile metaphor.

However, even the stupidest of people know what a clock is, if not how they work. "It's almost midnight" is about as much nuance as is consumable by the masses.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Except every year it's "It's almost midnight".

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Midnight does happen once a year

[–] Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] T156@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Perhaps even thrice.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 5 points 2 days ago

But it is a different "almost".

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 8 points 2 days ago

And nobody is at the wheel...just kids playing HoI

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 79 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The sad part of this announcement was that it is hardly being noticed by anyone.

The house is burning with a fire that is starting in the basement and everyone inside is partying or arguing about the colour of the wallpaper or fighting for a better seat in the living room to watch TV while a couple of scientists are standing in the rear porch with documents describing how the house fire will progress in the next few hours.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

This is a great analogy.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 55 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Doomsday Clock is turning into a real life exercise of Zeno’s Paradox.

[–] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was thinking the same. Next year it'll be measured in milliseconds

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[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Anyone else kinda relieved we still got more than 15 seconds?

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm just waiting for 1am. In 1983 russia almost atomic bombed the united states with an all out assault. Every atomic bomb they had in retaliation for the USA already firing 4 atomic rockets at them.

The firing orders needed 3 men to agree to the retaliation bombing. The first two men turned their key. The third man refused. His logic was "Why would the united states fire 4 rockets, and only 4 rockets in a surprise atomic bombing against a land as big as russia, KNOWING it would trigger an all out atomic assault? If you're getting the element of surprise, you use it to decimate any retaliation ability we may have. Kill us before we can fire back. This is a false alarm!"

And he was right. The 4 atomic bombs they were following on radar turned out to be clouds. Without that third man, russia would have unprovoked fired every nuke at the USA they had. Ensuring an atomic war that likely ends all life on earth.

In the 90s when I found out about that, I said "Whew! That would have happened just before I was born! Luckily there was the 3rd man."

Now with how the world has turned out, that 3rd man is now the villain of the story.

So now I'm just waiting for 1am on the doomsday clock. C'mon big giant astroid thats ends it all! Humans had their chance, and they fumbled the ball like the cleveland browns.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Stanislav Petrov, the man that saved the world from annihilation.

If it weren't for Stanislav Petrov, Donald Trump would never have been president get him!

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Boo him! Boo that man!

[–] big_slap@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Now with how the world has turned out, that 3rd man is now the villain of the story.

come on, he's a hero! imagine a world post nuclear war... can't be better than what we have now

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[–] fakir@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

Sorry, why is that 3rd man the villain of the story, and what do you mean humans fumbled the ball?

[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Dude it's like 2:45am we done assploded

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[–] Hafty@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just end me already. All of this stress and bad news constantly is killing me anyway.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I feel you.

There's all these problems and everyone just seems determined to make them worse rather than working on solutions. It's bonkers.

[–] cranakis@reddthat.com 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Let's talk solutions then. I agree.

What problem should we tackle first?
I propose a general strike for one tactic in many different problems. Resist and disobey for others. What shall we try to solve. I am serious, btw.

My situation is somewhat different because I'm in Australia. Presently we have a center left government, but they're quite impotent like Biden, and as a society we're sliding to the right like everywhere else.

That said, I'm particularly concerned about the rise of fascist groups. I'm seems their recruits are usually disenfranchised young men. I have no illusion about my ability (or lack thereof) to "reach" members of that segment, but I can certainly support the organisations that can, with both time and money.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Publishers of the doomsday clock should understand that Americans cant understand any number greater than 7. Its all just "a lot". They might as well have said "5000" seconds as 89. Those numbers look the same to me.

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[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wait when did nuclear war come back?

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It never left. We just used to be confident that nobody in power was stupid or suicidal enough to use one given the mutually assured destruction, and that confidence has since gone up in smoke.

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