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I am the opposite and I absolutely hate it when I have to work on someone's laptop with cluttered desktop and folders. Mine only has a taskbar at bottom and clock widget at bottom right corner. All temporary files goes to downloads or to organised directories. What's the point of having a nice wallpaper if you can't enjoy it.
I'm the same way. I will tolerate no icons on my desktop. It's widgets or nothin'.
Now, my physical desktop, on the other hand...
You do at least have some shortcuts on your desktop, right?
Otherwise, why have a desktop?
You can open a picture if you want to look at it
Everything from start menu shortcuts. Much cleaner and nicer that way.
Edit: I am using KDE plasma so not the full screen start menu like in windows but the small box on bottom left with about 15 icons that I regularly use.
That's what the super key is for, you hit the super key and start typing the name of whatever it is you want and hit enter just like a phone
So, what, remember the names of all the things I could want? Also, "just like a phone"?
Yeah like on a cell phone you type the name of the app and it shows up
I use downloads instead, it mainly functions as a temporary folder where anything unimportant can live and once it gets a scroll bar it all gets deleted. For the very rare things that are important I could then move them after.
I'd be happy if those apps were asking to save to Documents like in the screenshot. But alas, reality is much more cruel. They always want to save to some vague OneDrive location, and won't even show you the local file browser without extra steps.
If yOU dOn'T uSe oNEdrIvE iT is IMpOssiBle to AuTO sAve! The technology just doesn't exist to save on a timer without involving the cloud!
Documents, Desktop and Picture folders are just moved from the user folder into the user folder\OneDrive folder.
Other than that it work exactly the same.
OneDrive also always has a local folder. Usually in your user folder.
You can blame a lot on OneDrive, but this isn't one of them.
I don't want any of my files uploaded to OneDrive; therefore I don't want to save them in the OneDrive folder. I have other folders where I'd like to save my files instead.
So the behaviour I described is a persistent annoyance for me; despite you telling me it isn't a problem.
I don't mind OneDrive sync, I like it honestly.
What I absolutely do not want, is my Desktop on One Drive. For starters, its often a scratch place. I don't want it instantly pushing 6GB of photos I just pulled off my camera's memory card to the cloud before I can sorr them.
You see, I have OneDrive disabled and set to not sync.
It still wants me to save to a OneDrive directory, simply because I'm signed into my Microsoft account.
I used the desktop all the time when I was on Windows. When I moved to Linux fulltime, KDE wouldn't let you save to desktop. Eventually I figured out how to fix that, but by that time I had the habit broken. Thankfully i never reverted and my shit is generally organized because of it.
This is a word document. Where should you save a word document?
In the documents folder. The documents folder.
That's right! You save it to the desktop!
no... No please...
What about this picture file? Where would you save a picture file?
In the pictures folder. Cmon...
That's right! You save it to the desktop!
oh god why....
I just downloaded this file... Where should I save it?
The... The downloads folder?
That's right! You save it to the desktop!
: '-(
For those that don't know... This is a reference to this video. https://youtu.be/cUbIkNUFs-4
Good god. Putting stuff in the desktop is a big yuck. Your desktop probably looks like your room.
If a cluttered desktop is a sign of a cluttered mind, what does an empty one signify?
Everything downloads to the desktop, that way it's in my face so I have to deal with it.
The clutter on the desktop annoys me into cleaning it up, but I'll ignore a downloads folder once I've grabbed whatever I just downloaded.
you are the first person i’ve know to also do this! it really does help
But... You can just download things to their deserved spot in the first place?? Why the extra step
Desktop is my temp space. There are files with a very limited shelf live (logs I downloaded to search something, screenshots, ...) so I have to clean them up on a regular base before my desktop becomes too crowded and I get annoyed.
A lot of stuff don't have a spot. And no, I'm not putting that meme template I will need for 5 minutes into the tmp folder, I'm not insane.
I found this a few months ago and after adapting it to my needs I now have my files heavily organized (makes backups much easier).
What exactly is the app? The GitHub page isn't the most descriptive. How does it help you with backups?
It's not an app, it's actually a very simple repo containing folders and readmes.
It's just a folder structure, which you can use on your system. Unzip the file and slowly fill the folders with your files. I had to create(or maybe even rename/delete) some folders to adapt it to my needs. It took me around 20days during summer to organize around 2-3tb of my laptop and my external disk.
It was a kinda painful manual process, but I think it was really worth it, now things are well organized, I detected and removed hunderds of GB of unecessary/duplicate/unwanted files, it's easier to navigate now, the structure is cleaner and syncing a big part of my drive is relatively easy now. There some files, like installed programs and their data which are in predefined paths and I didnt move those, so these were left out. Also some games save their data in Documents, so I symlinked their data in documents. And there's the defauly downloads folder which is now more of a temporary folder for stuff I download before I move them or delete them.
There is not exactly a standard for how to orginize your files, but this repo is a very good start:)
Edit: I think organizing my files was my first step on the list in order to transition to linux, it would otherwise make it harder to properly backup and sync a mess of files gathering up for years. To sync my files to my external drive I just had to backup only ~10folders and one of which was the "root" (the one in the repo as you can see) which contained about 90% of my files. Much easier, much faster.
Taking a look now. This seems largely pretty smart. I am curious though, how much of the folder structure here felt relevant for you? For me I'm thinking it's ~50%. I agree with you though, that it's a good starting point. I was working on something similar in a text file a while back but never finished. Turns out, organization is pretty hard when you have collected data for 25 years.
Ok, so, it takes about 96% of the data in the home partition. Here are some screenshots of Qdirstat scans of my laptop's 1tb ssd:
~/:
~/root/:
Many of the files here are flac files and some ancient movies I have. 😄
Also, this is a (censored) directory list of top 3 levels of the root structure (I have put some unecessary dirs in Obsolete-dirs instead of deleting them and many dirs here are either empty or near-empty, like the book categories or the chart dirs):
root
root
├── Archives
│ ├── Backups
│ │ ├── Accounts
│ │ ├── [Censored]
│ │ ├── [Censored]
│ │ ├── Linux-Transition [DELETE ONCE TRANSITIONED]
│ │ └── [Censored]
│ ├── Datasets
│ │ ├── Research
│ │ └── Statistics
│ ├── Health
│ │ ├── [Censored]
│ │ └── [Censored]
│ ├── Logs
│ │ ├── AppList
│ │ ├── [Censored]
│ │ ├── Battery_report
│ │ ├── Chkdsk
│ │ ├── Crystal Disk Info
│ │ ├── FileStructureList
│ │ ├── Logs from when disk cloning failed in october 2021
│ │ ├── Nox- vmlogs
│ │ ├── Robocopy
│ │ ├── Stellar phoenix - best photo recovery
│ │ └── VirtualBox
│ ├── Manuals
│ │ └── Anduril 1 UI
│ ├── Obsolete-dirs
│ │ ├── News
│ │ └── Scientific
│ ├── Reciepts
│ ├── Trip_documents
│ │ ├── [Censored]
│ │ ├── [Censored]
│ │ ├── [Censored]
│ │ ├── [Censored]
│ │ └── [Censored]
│ ├── Websites
│ │ ├── Curiosity.com
│ │ ├── Ebay.com
│ │ ├── Friv.com
│ │ ├── Parametrek
│ │ ├── UNI-T - Uni-trend.com
│ │ ├── Xiaomi.eu
│ │ └── Youtube
│ └── [Censored]
├── Assets //Note: here I thought of putting files
│ │ //related to education (like school) and possibly work too
│ ├── [Censored]
│ │ ├── [Censored]
│ │ └── [Censored]
│ ├── [Censored]
│ │ └── [Censored]
│ └── [Censored]
│ └── [Censored]
├── Audio
│ ├── Download-lists
│ │ ├── Shazam
│ │ └── Spotify
│ ├── Downloads
│ │ ├── 1T
│ │ ├── deemix Music
│ │ └── Soulseek Downloads
│ ├── Music
│ │ ├── Flac
│ │ ├── LRC_Backup
│ │ └── Opus
│ ├── Obsolete-dirs
│ │ ├── Books
│ │ ├── Podcasts
│ │ ├── Soundfx
│ │ └── Soundtracks
│ ├── Playlists
│ │ ├── Sabaton
│ │ └── Song ratings
│ ├── Recordings
│ │ ├── B1 Zertifikat Hoeren
│ │ ├── ECCE listenings
│ │ └── Morphvox samples
│ └── Web
│ ├── Bandcamp
│ ├── Deezer
│ ├── Radio
│ └── Youtube
├── Desktop-shortcuts
│ ├── Game-Making - Creativity
│ │ ├── 2D-3D Design
│ │ ├── Misc
│ │ ├── Music
│ │ ├── Programing
│ │ └── Video
│ ├── Obsolete
│ ├── System-Tools
│ │ └── GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}
│ └── Unused
├── Documents
│ ├── 3D Objects
│ │ ├── 3D Builder
│ │ └── 3d stuff
│ ├── Logitech G502
│ ├── Touch Typing
│ └── [Censored]
├── Downloads
├── Games
│ ├── Party
│ ├── Sport
│ │ ├── Competitive
│ │ ├── Mind
│ │ └── Physical
│ ├── Tabletop
│ │ ├── Board
│ │ ├── Card
│ │ ├── Dice
│ │ ├── Pen-and-paper
│ │ ├── Rpg
│ │ ├── Strategy
│ │ └── Tile-based
│ └── Video
│ ├── Arcade
│ ├── Browser
│ ├── Computer
│ ├── Console
│ ├── Handheld
│ └── Mobile
├── Hobbies
│ ├── Drone
│ │ └── Hubsan H501S-S
│ ├── Electronics
│ │ ├── DPS5020 module
│ │ ├── DPSsupplier-master
│ │ ├── Falstad
│ │ └── RidenPowerSupply_V1.0.0.9
│ ├── Flashlights
│ │ ├── D25l - Sc31Pro - SP36BLF - UV
│ │ └── Nov-Mu
│ ├── Gym
│ │ ├── Exercises
│ │ ├── FastnFitness
│ │ └── Wii Fit Plus
│ └── Youtube
│ ├── 100kv Voltage booster module
│ ├── [Censored]
│ ├── TEMPGUN-Adobe
│ └── YT Logos
├── Images
│ ├── Artwork
│ │ ├── Digital-art
│ │ ├── Drawings
│ │ ├── Logos
│ │ ├── Paintings
│ │ └── Sculpture
│ ├── Charts
│ │ ├── Area-charts
│ │ ├── Bar-charts
│ │ ├── Bubble-charts
│ │ ├── Flowcharts
│ │ ├── Infographics
│ │ ├── Line-charts
│ │ ├── Maps
│ │ ├── Matrices
│ │ ├── Mind-maps
│ │ ├── Miscellaneous
│ │ ├── Organizational-charts
│ │ ├── Pie-charts
│ │ ├── Sankey-diagrams
│ │ ├── Spiral-diagrams
│ │ ├── Treemaps
│ │ ├── Venn-diagrams
│ │ └── Wordclouds
│ ├── Emojies
│ │ ├── Discord Emojies1
│ │ └── SignalEmojies
│ ├── Icons
│ ├── Obsolete-dirs
│ │ ├── Animated
│ │ ├── Memes
│ │ ├── Photos
│ │ └── Purpose-based
│ ├── RandomPhotos
│ │ ├── 2018-02
│ │ └── [Censored]
│ ├── Screenshots
│ │ └── Obsolete-dirs
│ └── Wallpapers
├── Imports-Exports
│ ├── Adobe
│ │ ├── After Effects CC 2018
│ │ ├── Photoshop
│ │ └── Premiere Pro
│ ├── Audacity
│ │ ├── Army or not
│ │ └── Sabaton OverdriveV2
│ ├── Blender
│ │ ├── 1st Game
│ │ ├── BlenderGuruTutV2
│ │ ├── blenderkit_data
│ │ ├── D20
│ │ ├── Flashbang Day
│ │ ├── Gabbitt tut
│ │ ├── NodesTut
│ │ ├── Nov-Mu
│ │ ├── [Censored]
│ │ ├── UFO
│ │ └── YT-Intro
│ ├── Bottles
│ │ ├── Bottles-Apps -> /home/bs/root/Software/Applications/Linux/Bottles-Apps
│ │ ├── Bottles-Games -> /home/bs/root/Games/Video/Computer/linux/Bottles-Games
│ │ ├── Configs
│ │ └── Full-backups
│ ├── Browsers
│ │ ├── Chrome
│ │ └── Firefox
│ ├── ChoEazyCopy
│ ├── Dss
│ ├── Freecad
│ ├── GDevelop
│ │ ├── endless_runner_resources
│ │ ├── My project
│ │ ├── My project10
│ │ ├── My project11
│ │ ├── My project12
│ │ ├── My project13
│ │ ├── My project2
│ │ ├── My project3
│ │ ├── My project4
│ │ ├── My project5
│ │ ├── My project6
│ │ ├── My project7
│ │ ├── My project8
│ │ ├── My project9
│ │ └── Sparkman-GD5
│ ├── Gimp
│ │ ├── [Censored]
│ │ ├── Manual
│ │ ├── Polo-bag_color-transformation
│ │ ├── RandomMaterials
│ │ └── [Censored]
│ ├── Inkscape
│ │ └── Tutorials
│ ├── Keepass
│ │ └── Keepass-Database
│ ├── Krita
│ ├── LTspiceXVII
│ │ ├── examples
│ │ ├── lib
│ │ └── Projects
│ ├── Meshroom
│ ├── Notepad++
│ ├── OBS
│ ├── Olive-Video-Editor
│ │ ├── [Censored]
│ │ └── We are Doomed
│ ├── PowerBI
│ │ └── [Censored]
│ ├── Random_Configs
│ ├── ShareX
│ ├── Siril
│ └── Unity
├── Literature
│ └── DDC
│ ├── 000 - COMPUTER SCIENCE. INFORMATION. GENERAL WORKS
│ ├── 100 - PHILOSOPHY. PSYCHOLOGY
│ ├── 200 - RELIGION
│ ├── 300 - SOCIAL SCIENCES
│ ├── 400 - LANGUAGE
│ ├── 500 - PURE SCIENCE
│ ├── 600 - TECHNOLOGY
│ ├── 700 - ARTS. RECREATION
│ ├── 800 - LITERATURE
│ └── 900 - HISTORY. GEOGRAPHY
├── Software
│ ├── Applications
│ │ ├── Android
│ │ ├── Ios
│ │ ├── Linux
│ │ ├── Mac-osx
│ │ ├── Mac-ppc
│ │ ├── Win32
│ │ └── Win64
│ ├── Firmware
│ │ ├── Android-dev
│ │ ├── ESP2866
│ │ ├── PL2303TA
│ │ └── w10_stop_reset_fileasso
│ ├── Scripts
│ │ ├── C
│ │ └── Python
│ ├── Source
│ ├── Systems
│ │ ├── Apple
│ │ ├── Apple Inc
│ │ ├── Commodore International
│ │ ├── IBM
│ │ ├── Linux
│ │ └── Microsoft
│ └── Typefaces
└── Video
├── Movies
│ ├── Animated
│ └── Live-action
├── Obsolete-dirs
│ ├── Discs
│ └── Vhs
├── Screen-Recording
├── Series
│ ├── Animated
│ └── Live-action
├── TAINIES PAIDIKES
│ ├── Ant-Man 2015 HDTS x264 AC3-CPG
│ ├── dukes-of-hazard
│ ├── Epic (2013) [3D] [HSBS] [Greek Audio]
│ ├── FROZEN 720p Greek Audio
│ ├── gnom
│ ├── HOODWINKED_2_TOO_HOOD_VS_EVIL.2011.GREEK_AUDIO
│ ├── Hotel.Transylvania.2012.TS.XviD-RESiSTANCE
│ ├── HOT_WHEELS
│ ├── Ice Age Continental Drift 2012 Greek audio
│ ├── Jurassic World 2015 1080p BRRip x264 DTS-JYK
│ ├── knight-Rider
│ ├── masoulamitigris
│ ├── MIKROI-EINSTEIN
│ ├── O_Mikros_Nikolas_2_Hmera_Podosfairou
│ ├── Planes-greek-audio
│ ├── RANGO_SIM_TM
│ ├── Rio 2 (2014) DVDRip x264 AC3 5.1 Greek Audio
│ ├── SM_Title12
│ ├── spiroynatosgr
│ ├── Sport.Vendeta.Billy.GreekStars
│ ├── st_poyli
│ ├── taglykakia
│ ├── TA MYALA POU KOUBALAS
│ ├── The Amazing Spiderman 2 2014 DVDrip Xvid Ac3-MiLLENiUM
│ ├── The.Lorax.2012.Greek audio
│ ├── The Pirates! Band of Misfits 2012 Greek audio
│ ├── Wreck it Ralph 2012 TS READNFO x264 AAC-UNiQUE
│ ├── xaroumenapodiaGR
│ ├── xelonakia
│ └── xugo720BLURAY
└── Web
└── Youtube
Btw, I have separate root, home and boot partitons on my nixos install, here's the root partition:
/:
Lastly, the external hdd I have isn't that organized, because many of the backup folder aren't inside the root folder. I think putting them inside the /root/backup/ path would be the proper way, but this would probably break my backup workflow and mess with a script I have to sync my phone. I might do it one time:)
I love GNOME for this. No desktop icons. Windows/super key, type the first letter or two, boom. It's so pretty.
My phone on the other hand? The first screen is nicely arranged. The second screen is just a chronological list of the apps I've downloaded, because they automatically go to desktop, and they'll clutter up my home screen if I don't have a separate sacrificial screen for them
Same. I hate desktop clutter. The horrors I've seen when I've been on someone else's PC. Random desktop documents that haven't been touched in 5 years. Why?!
Even aside from looking ugly, it's not even a good place for apps/files! If you have a window or two open, everything is obscured and you have to move windows out of the way to access your stuff.
They get a lot of shit for it, but IMO Gnome was 100% right to say "No. The desktop inevitably becomes a dumping ground and we don't want that. Your app menu is for apps and your Home folder is for files. We have very good search functionality to find what you want. No desktop icons. If you want that, install an extension."
The reason I don't use Gnome is "We don't want that" Okay, and just who the fuck is 'we?'