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I'm not in the US, but it seems to me that the Republicans keep breaking norms and procedures, including politicising impeachment and ignoring illegal, immoral and plain bad conduct.

They also seem to be fine with not applying the same standard across the isle.

On the other hand, either Democrats follow new precedent, with even more devolving, or they keep the old decorum and get their asses kicked by Republican foul play.

What ways out of this spiral are there?

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[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Armed revolution by the workers

[–] KariKariCrunch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Armed being the key word here. Show them what the left actually does with weapons.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The two parties tango. The Republicans wouldn’t be getting away with it if the Democrats weren’t beholden to the same moneyed interests.

Did Obama prosecute any of the Bush Jr officials guilty of torture and guilty of invading Iraq over a lie? Worse Obama committed more war crimes.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 week ago

But why is there a two party tango?

Democrats will implement some policies and laws and then see support collapse as Republicans get voted in. Then people who didn't vote will complain that Republicans got voted in and dismantled what Democrats were able to do.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good luck. Feels pretty pointless over here right now.

[–] Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)
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[–] shortrounddev@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Need to reorganize liberal politics from the ground up. Liberals need to justify their existence and the value of their policies at the city and state level and use that to build a national brand. Democrats in federal government seem to be totally unwilling to push their agenda in deference to political norms, but in my state they get quite a lot done when they're in power

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[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not positive of what the answer is, but I truly believe it will somehow sometime. However, please remember that this website is an echo chamber and sells doom and gloom. There is always hope no matter what the doomers say, otherwise they wouldn't be here.

[–] Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Remember your information diet guidelines!

Limit social media intake, read with an eye towards bias and agenda, and verify all news with independent sources.

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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Right now, not much can done, but ideas will change over time as the people holding the old ideas eventually die from age.

In my opinion, the current shitshow is actually a sign of old ideas dying. It'll take time, but I don't believe the Project 2025 will be successful. It's happening brutally right now, but it will fail, because it's being done with only very slim support from the population.

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Everyone gets off their stupid asses, pays attention, and votes in an informed way.

So, basically, we're probably fucked. People have repeatedly proven to be pretty God damned stupid.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

We're in 'if you can't beat them, join them' mode.

Invest every dollar you can spare, because that's the only way to win in any of this. Both ruling parties care far more about your stock portfolio succeeding than they do about you.

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[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Try living here. I feel hopeless every time I go online or turn on the TV.

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[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Elite centrists have dominated the Democratic party since Clinton. They love to take a “responsible” center left position and try to grab centrists. Unions, minorities and people on the left have no recourse but to continue to vote for them because the Republicans were soo much worse.

Trump’s super power has always been his ability to say anything it takes to get votes yet deliver very little. Because of this he can say appealing things to unions and minorities who have been disenfranchised which undermines Democrats.

The generation of boomers who have lead the Democratic Party since Clinton is literally dying out. These next few election cycles are going to be interesting as the next generation of Xers and Millennials have a different opinion of government and are much more militant and vocal.

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The democrats follow newprecedent to a point but not such that it just breaks the law. Like they would not try to define a sentence in the constitution to invalidate the whole paragraph thus making a paragraph that was written by the founding fathers to nullify itself thus calling the founding fathers brain dead dumb fucks. That being said they did sign off on the patriot act and have not acted to nullify citizens united. I live in the US so I sure as fuck hope we can but its been going on since the 80's with increasing acceleration. One of my biggest concerns is the most recent coming of age generation has no experience with somewhat sane political discourse.

[–] ECB@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago

The Republicans are much better about using topics they don't care as much about to generate support so they can achieve the ones they do.

The Democrats tend to want to die on every hill, which is ultimately a losing strategy.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

oh brother, you still think we're on a spiral, as in active? dude the spiral is complete, and now the monsters have control of all three branches of us government, they're going to do their damnedest to make sure they change just about everything that could possibly allow the power to be taken from them ever again. should have gotten the young people to vote, but wasn't important, looking a bit more important now, huh. dumbest thing i've ever seen, trump was president, fucked everything up, a million americans died bad from a pandemic due to his ineptitude, then young people stayed home and didn't vote democrat ...... can't make this shit up, the jokes write themselves. and now .... unstoppable destruction, and death.

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