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[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 17 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

Given recent events, I really don't see how bending the knee to Trump is any different than bending the knee to the Democrats, especially Biden who committed genocide for 15 months. It's just another capitalist bending the knee to the world hegemon in the United States. Trump is just more straightforward and bombastic about the USA's position in the world as it's hegemon and it's demands, forcing ordinary people, especially liberals in the United States, to confront that reality directly, whilst under Biden that was obfuscated by flowery language and decorum. I guess that decorum and flowery language was enough for US liberals to "turn off" so to speak, and go back to brunch while the world burns.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Has the Proton CEO bent the knee to the Democrats like he’s apparently done with Trump?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 9 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

What? Trump is subservient to Russia and China. He's selling the country off to make a quick buck.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 15 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

See this is the exact liberal nonsense I'm talking about. How is Trump "subservient to Russia and China"? Because he views continuing the war in Ukraine as no longer in the United States' interest? And China? I thought Trump was all about tariffs on Chinese goods and starting a trade war in his last term. I don't see that as subservient, that's confrontation. A negative confrontation that just hurt everyone globally, but maybe necessary from a third world perspective, waking up the third world to the reality of the United States and it's economic warfare. If you're talking about dialing down the temperature against China in his upcoming term, that would be because the US benefits from Chinese imports and can't wean itself off of them due to a lack of domestic manufacturing and industry, and because China needs a market to sell their goods to as domestic consumption + exports to the rest of the world can't make up for US consumption, so they'll give in to US demands. I fail to see how such a position is "pro China" it's just self interest.

You have to stop viewing politics through the personalities of world leaders as if it's some kind of Hollywood movie, and view the material reality. If the USA is no longer interested in pursuing a certain action or decides to escalate on another front in the next four years, ask yourself why is that the case, instead of defaulting to "Trump crazy stupid strongman dictator selling out the USA". That kind of liberal analysis is not helpful and will leave you lost. Never underestimate your adversary.

For example in Greenland, many people were going on about how Trump is some big idiot that wants a country that looks big on a Mercator projection. Meanwhile, the United States secured a large rare earth metals deposit in Greenland, stoping Chinese mining companies from getting the rights to it. The US company that bought the rights to the rare earth metals deposit signed a contract with the United States Department of Defence to process the metals. While everyone was distracted by Trump talking nonsense, the US pulled of a heist and exerted more political pressure on its allies. When one hand is doing something (in this case Trump's loud mouth), always look at moves the other hand is making (in this case, the US DoD getting more control in Greenland over their mining deposits). If you fail to do so, the jester will rob you blind. In this case, a large deposit of Rare Earth Ores in Greenland, China excluded and Denmark further vassalised.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 5 points 16 hours ago

DoD already has all access needed in Greenland. https://youtu.be/I6qFo28QiMQ

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Trump is subservient to Russia and China.

Damn, Trump is pretty fucking rad apparently

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 3 points 15 hours ago

Trump is subservient to Russia and China.

Damn, Trump is pretty fucking rad apparently

This Andy Yen guy is pretty cool for supporting Trump then!

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 4 points 15 hours ago

Yeah, I really think this is a little overblown for what he said.

Critical support for specific reasons doesn't exist for these people. Just black and white, Harry and Voldemort.

[–] asap@lemmy.world 23 points 19 hours ago (2 children)
[–] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 11 points 16 hours ago

Always nice to be linked back to Reddit and reminded that it is a terrible place.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 16 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (4 children)

Lmao that onyx guys comment is at -18

And protons reply:

I believe this is a false equivalence. Supporting a nominee for antitrust, is not the same as endorsing everything else Trump may or may not believe in or flirting with Nazism as you put it. It goes too far to draw that conclusion about Proton or myself.

They just dont get it

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

All he had to do was keep his mouth shut & show his support on another account

[–] tomatolung@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago (15 children)

As some who has been out literal in the woods, can someone give me more context?

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