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[–] CatsGoMOW@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Phew, this was a good reminder since I was meaning to cancel my subscription anyway. It was going to auto renew in 2 days. 😬

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Make it too expensive and people will switch to Google docs.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Excel is the deal breaker on that. My last company was all Google products and auth, but I still had to buy Excel for the accounting and HR teams.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Um excel certainly has its places, but accounting? Don't they have actual dedicated software for accounting? HR? Like payroll? Again don't they have actual software for that?

And I was thinking personal use, whose costs were posted. $100 a year, fuck that.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's hard to believe, but I work at a Fortune 100 company that's still heavily reliant on Excel.

Sure, we have specific software as System of Record (Oracle suite, mainly). But for all the day to day estimating and calculating and reporting and other noodling, people routinely export to Excel and play with numbers from there.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The point is you can use google docs or Libreoffice for day to day mundane things.

It's only the huge power features that you need Excel for, maybe in engineering. For accounting when you get to that power feature point I'm surprised there isn't dedicated software.

[–] toddestan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Excel is a spreadsheet, and spreadsheets like Excel are first and foremost aimed at accounting sort of tasks. Whether they actually need Excel versus something like Google Docs or Libreoffice is another thing. The big thing with Excel is that it gets used (and abused) to do things that it's not really intended for doing such as those spreadsheets that are full of macros trying to be an application, or those spreadsheets that are trying to be a database, and so forth.

From an engineering perspective, I find Excel to be annoying because it's clearly first and foremost an accounting tool, and some of its behaviors like the way it rounds numbers and tries to turn everything into a date is downright obnoxious. I still use it from time to time for quick and dirty things like whipping up a couple of plots quickly (and this doesn't really need Excel... but at work all the computers have Excel), but otherwise for anything more complicated I'd probably switch to something else.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Like it's a fun number cruncher, but for serious accounting that's tied into point of sale, accounts receivable, accounts payable, etc you really should be running something dedicated. That's why there are all these software companies making bank when from the outside you can't quite figure out what they do.

Protip on excel, when you start a new sheet ctrl+a, ctrl+1, change to number.

[–] send_me_your_ink@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

See you think that - but excel finds a way. We have what are lovingly called the "spreadsheets of doom" which accounting uses to manage all forecasts, and the bits that involve money flows. Did you know you can hook excel into Salesforce and pull all the sales records? A person who thinks her monitor is her computer (she has a Dell laptop) somehow found a way...

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I remember my dad had a problem and asked if he had to take the monitor or the tower to the shop.

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If they actually bundled a game pass subscription with it and made a proper Microsoft complete subscription they could have softened the bad press they're getting on this (and giving customers something they've wanted for a while)

That and the fact that they've nearly doubled the price of the subscription to add a limited credit based feature just looks pretty slimy

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Why on earth would they bundle gamepass into Office365? Office365 is pretty much used for business and educational institutions. Everybody else is a rounding error.

The overlap between Office365 owners and Xbox gamers is extremely small.

You'd just end up pissing everybody off by combining them

  • "They've added how much to the price by adding this gamer nonsense?! I don't need that crap, I want office software!"

  • "They've added how much to the price by including fucking PowerPoint and Outlook?! I don't need that crap, I want to play games!"

And not to defend MS, but a 43% increase isn't nearly doubling. A 100% increase would be doubling.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

It's called Microsoft 365 now

Office 365 was when it was just a business productivity suite

They renamed it when they pivoted it to a general subscription and started adding things like clipchamp.

I mentioned in another comment though that I agree it would be silly to mess with the professional skus, but the home & family ones would make perfect sense to offer as an option at the very least (just as they're offering 365 without copilot for the time being).

I'm also not saying get rid of the independent subscriptions for Xbox, that would also be silly.

Just that a merged one would make a lot of sense for the people out there paying for both (which I reckon is a good number in the family subscription category at least)

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Makes me glad I continue to use the free Google and MS Office options and keep my cloud storage with a service that is dedicated to just storage.

Cuts down on all of the forced price increases due to the AI mess the MBAs need to justify the expense of.

[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They should have made it opt-in instead of opt-out IMHO. You can still get the old subscription when you renew, but you have to jump through a couple of hoops. If you do nothing you just get "upgraded" for no reason.

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[–] Sinuousity@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

More anti consumer garbage forced by a monopolistic juggernaut which the governments of the world refuse to do more than mildly scold. It's worse than chatgpt and pops up almost everywhere you click. Something about heads in asses

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 2 points 1 day ago

Damn, we really didn't see that coming now did we? Can't wait until Amazon pulls that trigger on AWS.

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