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Hi all, last night, a post from last year from my personal X account suddenly became a topic of discussion here on Reddit. I want to share a few thoughts on this to provide clarity to the community on what is Proton's policy on politics going forward.

First, while the X post was not intended to be a political statement, I can understand how it can be interpreted as such, and it therefore should not have been made. While we will not prohibit all employees from expressing personal political opinions publicly, it is something I will personally avoid in the future. I lean left on some issues, and right on other issues, but it doesn't serve our mission to publicly debate this. It should be obvious, but I will say that it is a false equivalence to say that agreeing with Republicans on one specific issue (antitrust enforcement to protect small companies) is equal to endorsing the entire Republican party platform.

Second, officially Proton must always be politically neutral, and while we may share facts and analysis, our policy going forward will be to share no opinions of a political nature. The line between facts, analysis, and opinions can be blurry at times, but we will seek to better clarify this over time through your feedback and input.

The exception to these rules is on the topics of privacy, security, and freedom. These are necessarily political topics, where influencing public policy to defend these values, often requires engaging politically.

The operations of Proton have always reflected our neutrality. For example, recently we refused pressure to deplatform both Palestinian student groups and Zionist student groups, not because we necessarily agreed with their views, but because we believe more strongly in their right to have their own views.

It is also a legal guarantee under Swiss law, which explicitly prohibits us from assisting foreign governments or agencies, and allows us no discretion to show favoritism as Swiss law and Swiss courts have the final say.

The promise we make is that no matter your politics, you will always be welcome at Proton (subject of course to adherence to our terms and conditions). When it comes to defending your right to privacy, Proton will show no favoritism or bias, and will unconditionally defend it irrespective of the opinions you may hold.

This is because both Proton as a company, and Proton as a community, is highly diverse, with people that hold a wide range of opinions and perspectives. It's important that we not lose sight of nuance. Agreeing/disagreeing with somebody on one point, rarely means you agree/disagree with them on every other point.

I would like to believe that as a community there is more that unites us than divides us, and that privacy and freedom are universal values that we can all agree upon. This continues to be the mission of the non-profit Proton Foundation, and we will strive to carry it out as neutrally as possible.

Going forward, I will be posting via u/andy1011000. Thank you for your feedback and inputs so far, and we look forward to continuing the conversation.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Is he really using u/andy1011000? And he just started now? That's binary for andy88, and isn't 88 a well-known neo-Nazi dogwhistle as idiot code for "heil Hitler"?

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Assuming Andy Chen isn’t American, this is understandable:

“It should be obvious, but I will say that it is a false equivalence to say that agreeing with Republicans on one specific issue (antitrust enforcement to protect small companies) is equal to endorsing the entire Republican party platform.”

But it’s extremely tone deaf to Americans who live within the two party duopoly in the US, and who are sensitive to the fact that you can’t really be a compromise between the two (as politics stand, currently)

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 4 points 19 hours ago

This makes sense to me from a framing perspective. As an American myself, despite my best efforts, I still fall into the same trap of sort of assuming everything is much more American centric than it actually is, including other people's opinions on American politics from outside America.

His post does come off as wildly tone deaf, but seeing how he would have perceived it, it makes a lot of sense. He endorses policy by a party that shared his values, and then gets pushback for it from people who support his values. I'd probably be as confused as him if I was in his shoes.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So, we just believe that Proton, being buddy-buddy with Trump, isn't going to turn around, and stab us in the backs?

Call me "skeptical".

[–] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe I missed something, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that Andy/Proton likes Trump?
They said they agreed with one decision the republican party made, and pointed out how the democrats have been prioritising corporate interests.

But what do I know, I'm not American, so I'm not incapable of understanding nuance like most Americans on the internet seem to be.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Andy Yen might be a CERN scientist, but he's conpletely ignorant of US politics. I think hes just spewing his uneducated political opinions, not necessary being pro-trump. It's kinda concerning tho, I don't really like a privacy service being run by an idiot (on the topic of politics, at least), not gonna switch overnight, but definitly start looking into alternatives in case he or the board goes full elon mode.

"Here at Proton, we believe that all life is sacred, thats why we gave the IP addresses of pregnant teens who are planning to get an abortion"

(even compiling the user client yourself won't protect against IP logging, also, external emails arrive at proton servers in plain text)

[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Literally none of this matters and its all just noise. American politics and Americans themselves are insane.

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[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 52 points 2 days ago (2 children)

a post from last year from my personal X account suddenly became a topic of discussion here on Reddit.

You mean last month right.

[–] UntitledQuitting@reddthat.com 24 points 1 day ago

this is the most "i think my userbase are idiots" statement anybody could make. like do you think we dont know how time works andy? fuck you

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 18 points 1 day ago

Yeah, last year, 2024. Stupid way of intentionally phrasing it.

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 49 points 2 days ago (2 children)

we refused pressure to deplatform both Palestinian student groups and Zionist student groups

Insane equivocation. One of those is a national and ethnic group; the other is a political movement whose pet project is currently on trial for genocide... "we refused pressure to deplatform both Jewish student groups and National Socialist student groups"

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“we refused pressure to deplatform both Jewish student groups and National Socialist student groups”

They are a Swiss company, yes.

Went to the replies to say this. You got here before me

[–] SatanClaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think that's the entire point of the comment. They are impartial even to evil. They respect privacy.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Impartial to evil is... Well, just evil.

If I walk past a person beheading 3 people who have done nothing wrong, and am able to in fact stop it, and don't... I'm just as fucking evil as the guy doing the beheading.

[–] SatanClaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Indeed. When privacy gets involved it's gets dicey and awkward.

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[–] halcyonloon@midwest.social 62 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

He should not have @'d Trump. By doing this he is explicitly calling for the incoming administration's attention and signalling he's willing to play ball and bend the knee. Also nice try at obfuscation saying the tweet was from last year, jackass.

Additionally the company account doubled down on his messaging. I think dems suck too, but both sides are not the same. What kind of Swiss crack are they smoking to be able to pretend that the administration that created permanent tax cuts for the ultra wealthy, that I subsidize with my tax dollars, is a friend of the little guy? Or how about the administration that seated the court that bulldozed the right to privacy, while state courts pass censorship laws under the guise of child protections?

The guy is talking out both sides of his face and he's an asshole. While I don't think this is indicative of Proton's services per se I am no longer a paying customer.

[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 148 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Trouble is Andy, we now know what you privately think and all the follow up statements in the world can't put that genie back in the bottle.

Proton is an org that exists in an industry whose customers do not trust easily. Publicly aligning with someone utterly untrustable, either as an individual or as a board, has tainted Proton and adversely affected peoples ability to trust. How can we ever know when Proton will find it acceptable again to respond positively to a Trumpian decision or how it might affect our privacy?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 12 hours ago

To be honest, many of not most CEOs probably privately think that way because it's advantageous to their business. It's a product of how the government is owned by the corporations. We all hate it but it's simply The current state of affairs. It's literally his job not to let it out into public that he feels that way.

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[–] slug@lemmy.world 87 points 2 days ago (2 children)

agreeing with Republicans on one specific issue (antitrust enforcement to protect small companies)

Where is he getting this bullshit from that republicans actually want to do antitrust lol

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

By cherry picking a few Republican priorities designed to spite big tech and totally ignoring the big enforcement efforts that the Biden administration has pursued through the FTC and the DOJ Antitrust Division, in both tech and non-tech industries.

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[–] Tinkerer@lemmy.ca 54 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If an employee did this and there was this much backlash that said employee would be promptly fired....

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[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Why does his username have "88" in binary 🧐

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[–] TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 77 points 2 days ago (16 children)

I'm personally satisfied with the statement, position and reflection on the issue.

It was a fuck-up to publicly respond to donaldtrump in what could be seen as an endorsement. This was acknowledged and remedied.

The no politics stance is probably unavoidable, as mentioned but they should never focus on political parties, but on defending the values, this is what is clarified and that's best. We should accept to support a bill strengthening privacy even if it may come from a political party we generally do not support. Denying our support to such a bill would not strengthen the core value we defend. And as individuals we may still criticize all other activities of such a political party if we disagree with others of their activities.

As a community, I hope we can come together, and resist the temptation of purity tests, and acknowledge that we are all fighting for the same cause, no matter our perspective on other issues. We need the support of everyone.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago

We should accept to support a bill strengthening privacy even if it may come from a political party we generally do not support.

Nobody on the left, afaik, rejects bills out of hand, purely because of which party promulgates it... The problem is, while the American Reich talks a lot about worker's issues, the bills they propose are just oligarch hand outs, cloaked in socialist or populist ideas. ie, The PATRIOT Act was the least patriotic bill ever put forth, but NOBODY was allowed to be unPATRIOTic and vote against it. The left, opposed it. Same with the 1993 Crime Bill, put forth by Dems... Can't be "anti-crime" now can we?

[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

we are all fighting for the same cause

Catering to the "Libertarian" neo-Nazi crowd so they buy your product vs wanting to defend minorities against these sort of people is not the same cause

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[–] piyuv@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago

His main point is outright wrong though. Republicans are not better at anti-trust, they’re the big money. Thinking Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos will protect small tech companies is laughable.

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