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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here πŸ”πŸ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[–] lazzerot@startrek.website 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

Protonmail has been my main email provider for the past 7 years, and unless its CEO decides to sell it to Trump or Musk I honestly don't see how his stupid private or not so private opinions are worth the hassle of changing my email for the million things I use my main and all the other emails I registered with Protonmail.
Most rich people have very dubious or outright awful political opinions and unless you're rich enough to have someone build you an alternative or deconnected enough from society/only exist in programmer circles and are able to live entirely on FOSS software I don't see why the average user should care about the CEO's political stance. Maybe that's my ignorant opinion as a European, but would you stop using Linux if you found out Linus Torvalds secretly loves Windows? Probably not.

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[–] derbolle@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

i wanted to move my google stuff to Proton this year as a Backup for my self hosted stuff. Shame, seems like I need to put a little more time into managing my self hosted stuff

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[–] guismo@aussie.zone 6 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I've been using Runbox for many years and it's weird i don't see recommendations.

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[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Whatever you choose, remember that ease of migration is important. So for email buy your own domain name and use a service like mailbox.org that allows custom domains and full IMAP access.

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[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago (15 children)

So literally one guy can change your entire network lifestyle?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So literally one guy can change your entire network lifestyle?

Seriously? You're going to question people on loyalty when they find out the person in charge of not selling their data to the highest bidder is an oligarch wanna-be?

Hell yes. If you give me red flags in how a company I need to ultimately trust is run/staffed, I will find a better solution.

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[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In all seriousness, I genuinely feel like the demographics of those making over 250K/year outside of Silicon Valley (proton is from Switzerland which is a center-right country), and outside of the arts industries, is probably bare minimum of lib-center, and probably most likely to be at least fiscally conservative, if not socially as well. Those kind of people are more concerned with maintaining their financial position than the issues plaguing the income classes that the individual has graduated out of.

I don’t think you’re going to find many CEOs that aren’t at least a little right of center or self serving in their business interests.

Getting to the top 1% income bracket is a lot easier than maintaining that financial position.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

disroot

depending on your politics, autistici

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[–] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

been using https://migadu.com/ for a few months now and its pretty great

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