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[–] b1tstremist0@lemmy.world -4 points 6 days ago (3 children)

And we say we are living in a democracy. Mark my word, there is not a SINGLE democracy in the world. It sounds good on paper but the technicalities are far from theory.

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[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 130 points 1 week ago (16 children)

A tolerant society can not tolerate intolerance.

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[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 74 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Nobody has a problem censoring hateful and harmful content, so long as they're the ones that get to decide what that means.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago (26 children)

Misinformation and violent rhetoric about minorities is hate. It has no place in society and allowing it achieves nothing expect the proliferation of bigotry.

Why is this just about “minorities” and what is a “minority”? Who is going to define this definition? Why is this not also for hate of any kind such as calls for violence to “non-minorities”?

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Advertising is hateful content. Ban the entire marketing industry now please.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

The majority of advertising we see in the US should be banned for sure. It is just thinly veiled psychological fuckery designed to manipulate us. Not cool.

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[–] walden@sub.wetshaving.social 35 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Lemmy was created because Desaulines(sp?) got "censored" on reddit. Now he famously over-censors his darling instance lemmy.ml.

My point is just that nobody really thinks it should be a free for all. Everyone is human and doesn't want to hear anything that they consider egregious, or in the case of lemmy.ml "against rule 2".

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (9 children)

.ml is garbage lead by legit garbage people. But, open source means we can take lemmy code made by garbage people and repurpose it for good. Unfortunately it seems like Lemmy image is forever stained by those people and the network will never be adopted by normal people fully.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Censorship or not, tolerance is a social contract, and those who want to undo this system must be stopped by any means possible. Content moderation is actually the compromise.

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[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean it is censorship. But not all censorship is bad.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

There will be no protection under the social contract for those who wish to violate it.

[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago (67 children)

Meta's anti-LGBT rules are closely knit to their ending the fact-checking: It is science denialism and linked to racism and vaccine skepticism.

Homosexuality and gender identity are not considered mental illnesses, Sex is not a binary, and Race is not connected to intelligence.

Bigots never liked science on these three, and now they use political power to impose their narrative.

Meta never moderated such discourse. Nor reddit nor twitter nor youtube. There was no censorship to end here. What this is, it is a free pass to punch down trans and gay people. It is incitement to violence, and Zuckerberg and Musk must go to the gallows for it.

Don't get me started on the toxic harassment these platforms have allowed against African and Carribean reparation activists, how they have destroyed the lives of feminists, and how they have named all Palestinians terrorists.

At this point race realists and gender essentialists have ensured political and technological control of the narrative.

There is no room for debating sealioning trolls on this one. If they don't understand the social dynamics against gender/sex/minorities at this moment, they are no better than brownshirts.

It is permabans and hooks and jabs all the way, for every single weird freak that backs this deranged hateful shit.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes, but just deleting without comment, as if it never existed, isn't the solution either.

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[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 14 points 1 week ago

Suddenly they care. One dead CEao and a bunch of whiny scared Billionaires is enough to stop 10 years of hateful content. Interesting lesson right there. Censorship is only good if it protects the rich.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Who decides when the content is "hateful"? The perpetrators of genocide characterize themselves as marginalized and their victims as a force seeking to eradicate them. That is the problem with censorship. Those are the people who end up with the control of speech. You end up with an Orwellian inversion of concepts like hateful speech for the exact reason that they can be weaponized for profit and power.

You show me which fascist government is going to censor the fascists living under it. It's a paradox. They will not. They will censor the resistance.

[–] b1tstremist0@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

We've come to decide 'hate content' on ideological basis that the question of 'who decides' arises. If people could be more realistic than idealistic, that would've never been the issue. In this situation, what's in your head becomes more important than what you really need because something didn't go your way.

[–] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well it depends on the definition of censor.

If you define censor as, "to suppress or delete as objectionable" (Webster) then it fits just fine.

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