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[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 66 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure only people on the internet argue about this. No one actually cares what other's do with their last name after marriage.

This post has 2017 reddit vibes. Not in a good way either.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

People literally change their names because they feel like it, so I'm sure people do care outside the Internet, specially in circumstances of abuse.

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Well, reddit turned to shit around 2014, so the fact it still sucked around 2017 can't be a surprise?

People definitely care, but not about which side of the family or if it comes from mommy or daddy. Most people just want an "original" name.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 69 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

with no ill will for you, OP, genuinely fuck this boomer ass “joke”

a woman’s name is her name. she lives with it for 1 lifetime, absolutely no shorter than her grandfather does. “male” is not somehow the default human identity. stop trying to enforce that standard.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 62 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I think the point of the joke might be more that an attempt to start a matrilineal naming scheme is foiled somewhat from the fact that the maiden name of the mother is derived from her father, i.e. you can't escape that the last names all come from patrilineal sources for generations.

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 36 points 6 days ago (4 children)

If a woman is committed to the idea, she could break the patrilineal naming convention simply by creating herself a new last name, and encouraging her children to take that name instead of their father's.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 days ago

yes, though I think a naming system like this isn't an individual act as much as occurs on the level of social norms and rules; a single individual won't introduce a competing matrilineal naming system just by convincing her children into it...

Either way, I somewhat agree with the criticism of the joke that the last name coming from a patrilineal origin isn't a gotcha, though maybe that's actually the point of the meme since Homelander is the one posing it as a gotcha (and he's a villain, so it would make sense to symbolize a misogynist with him). The name would still be inherited in a matrilineal way even if it started as a patrilineal name further up the chain.

I guess there is a question of whether the name's origin matters at all when we are concerned with the patriarchial nature of a practice where women lose their family names and men don't. That practice being disrupted is what matters, not what the actual name is.

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

…yeah? exactly what i said? i don’t disagree at all except you possibly ignore that the butt of the joke is the woman, normalizing the very repression she attempts to subvert. it’s undermining and mocking the woman’s identity intentionally by asserting the dominance of patriarchal schemes over her own life and decision. (perhaps unintentionally, but nevertheless really.)

in America, historically Black names are also dominated by the history of slavery and white supremacy (different functions, but the end result: subjugation, is parallel). i would post a similar comment hating on a post mocking Black folk for resisting these patterns as well! :)

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[–] Onionguy@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Love the little respectful preamble you put there, can we make that internet discussion standard plz.?

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 46 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I know this is a shitposting community but these are, every goddamn one of them, the dumbest possible takes you could have opened a new year with.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Make up your own surname to assert dominance. Or go by your internet handle.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Reminder that surnames didn't exist before the middle ages, you just had a singular name that people shouted to get your attention. Since you lived in a community of several dozen people, you didn't need to do much to differentiate yourself from the other "John" in your town because everyone knows each other. You lived and died just as "John" and would be remembered by your kids for a generation if you were lucky. There was no need to keep track of genealogy, you were a pair of hands and legs, you were supposed to get out there and plow that field and that's all your baron or lord cared about.

But somewhere after the black plague ravaged Europe and we lost a sizeable chunk of the human population, suddenly workers became in high-demand. Industrialist lords and landowners suddenly didn't have people smithing their horse shoes or making their bread, so they had to go poach people from far away towns and suddenly workers had power and options. As a way to get noticed for your family's tradeskill, you would have been wise to advertise this to wealthy employers, the best way was to attach your trade to your name. You were now John Baker to differentiate yourself from John the Drunkard if anyone came looking to hire someone who could cook bread.

So surnames are advertising. It's all it's ever been. There's nothing ancient and special about your name, it was just how your ancestors tried to make a buck.

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[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Jokes on you, my dad took my mom's name

[–] bradd@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Your dad took your mother's dads name.

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Its not an unusual thing for lesbian couples to pick a new surname for themselves.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Homelander has the best guy resting bitch face I've ever seen.

[–] ngn@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

why yall having a war in the comments? its a silly meme about last names, who the actual fuck cares?

[–] Ilandar@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

Because their entire poltical and world view is based on identity politics. They cannot simply say "that joke sucked" and move on, they have to make it into yet another virtue signalling exercise and lecture everyone else because that is the behaviour they associate with being a "good person".

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

People online do not understand jokes. I refuse to believe anyone in real life would be this dense.

In real life people would see this lol and move on, on the internet they write dissertations about some BS to virtue signal to other strangers how enlightened they are..... 🙄

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[–] Sharp312@lemmy.one 7 points 6 days ago

Holy comment section batman

[–] uis@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

Technicallly, it is still of her father.

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